[Clockers]

Born again people are preachy and force their new beliefs than people who have followed there faith from childhood. For the latter it a way of life whilst "born again" feel they need everyone to follow what they discovered later on in their life.

Stephen Baldwin is a fascinating housemate.

[Patrick]

Was Stephen Reincarnated?

[DigitalSid]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Was Stephen Reincarnated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_(Christianity)

[King Gizzard]

No because reincarnation is in hinduism!

[letmein]

George Bush was a born again Christian. That should tell you something.

[Sticks]

The term "Born Again Christian" is a tautological error as according to John 3:5 everyone who is a Christian is by definition born again.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The term "Born Again Christian" is a tautological error as according to John 3:5 everyone who is a Christian is by definition born again.

Thanks for pointing to that error and yes that has annoyed me for years and years.
It's almost as if they decided to 'trademark' that name for their own usage heh.

More in the USA and more in the 80s/90s it has come to mean a sort of Evangelical Charismatic/kinda sorta usedtabe 'fundamentalistish' side of the spectrum,
and,
really to where it might have been spelled 'Bornagin' as if to make the distinction hehe.

Yeah, I do see what the OP is saying.
What annoys me to no end is meeting and having a discussion with so many of them that goes like this:
- Are you a Christian?
- Yes.
- That doesn't mean anything though.. the question is.. are you born again??
- Right.
- So thats how you get saved.
- Ok thanks.

For some reason they seem to thrive on doing this to us Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbys.
Not RCs. They assume they are not saved.

Anyways, its annoying,
but,
as a general rule almost all of them intend to mean well and are generally sincere.

Baldwin... he is a bit of something different from what we more used to know as the 'Bornagin' type.
He is more a sort of 'emerging church' (i hate some of these titles) 'Rick Warren/Saddleback' and 'California/West Coast Evangelical' type.

I'm sure that is meaningless to most here and even having traveled in those circles and knowing that sub-culture a bit... meh... its hard to pin them all down.
But he isn't a classic 80s era sort of 'Bornagin' type but sorta kinda from that 'world' yeah.

I don't mind him though. At first I assumed I'd dislike him and then tried to be annoyed by him.
Then I saw he was refreshingly realistic and a fairly 'down-to-earth' type of person.
So now he has mostly won me over.

[yousoboo!]

Steven is just passionate about what he believes. If people can't handle it then that's due to their own insecurities.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

Steven is just passionate about what he believes. If people can't handle it then that's due to their own insecurities.

Uh, no. It's due to them being offended by his bigotry, and stupidity. Next.

[yousoboo!]

Originally Posted by letmein

Uh, no. It's due to them being offended by his bigotry, and stupidity. Next.

then they are wimps. think about what goes on in the world these days. in the big scheme of things this really is weak minded.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

then they are wimps. think about what goes on in the world these days. in the big scheme of things this really is weak minded.

People get annoyed when they see grown adults sprout such clear nonsense on the television. It has nothing to do with being a 'wimp' or being 'insecure'.

How odd.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

People get annoyed when they see grown adults sprout such clear nonsense on the television. It has nothing to do with being a 'wimp' or being 'insecure'.

How odd.

Being annoyed is hardly a problem. I get annoyed watching Richard Dawkins 'spout' clear nonsense on the television,
but,
Not nearly as annoyed as I get at Cartoon dogs selling me insurance, gay guys redecorating homes or a bunch of 'white liberal guilt' presenters trying to 'out tsk' each other over BNP stories,
but,
so being annoyed is part of the experience.
Don't cry over it.

[Prole]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

Steven is just passionate about what he believes. If people can't handle it then that's due to their own insecurities.

I don't agree. I think Christianity is a sham not because I haven't read the bible, but because I have. I'm happy for Christians to believe their fairy stories but I hate the way they try to foist their patriarchal bullshit on others. I also hate the way they assume they are the only enlightened ones with a monopoly on morality.

[Niamh.]

I haven't heard him preach to anyone yet and I didn't hear him preaching to anyone on IAC either

[yousoboo!]

you get offended very easily.

[Stu]

Who said I was getting offended at this in particular? Relgion as a whole offends me and thus constantly will, but on a baffling level, not a level that makes me want to write to national newspapers.

Your not very good at trying to get this one up on people just because they don't like his religion. First insecure, now whimsical, now easily offended. No, kid. Just don't particularly have a hard on for religion. That's. It.

[yousoboo!]

What are you watching? He hasn't preached anything yet. You've just taken a dislike to him based on preconceptions.

[Niamh.]

While I don't believe what he believes and do think it's a load of rubbish, I do like him and I haven't heard him preaching or trying to force his beliefs on people so I don't see why people are giving out about him. At the end of the day if that's what makes him happy, so what, live and let live!!!

[RCW1945]

"Love thy neighbour": isn't that Christian rule number one?
Only one hour into the show someone mentions Barack Obama, SB leaps in with savage attack on same. The word could be hypocrite.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RCW1945

"Love thy neighbour": isn't that Christian rule number one?
Only one hour into the show someone mentions Barack Obama, SB leaps in with savage attack on same. The word could be hypocrite.

It was hardly a "savage attack" lol

[RCW1945]

Niamh
What sort of "savage" life you must lead.
On first acquaintance to come out with "horrible", "heading for a disastrous presidency" sounds slightly savage to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RCW1945

Niamh
What sort of "savage" life you must lead.
On first acquaintance to come out with "horrible", "heading for a disastrous presidency" sounds slightly savage to me.

lol, ok, terribly savage life I have yeah...........

Listen, Obama is a politician at the end of the day like all the others, I do like him, but it's like he's untouchable, no one is allowed to say a bad word about him!! No body would have been calling it a "savage attack" if it had been any other politician other than Obama!

[Stu]

Actually I don't believe that at all, Proximo. But it's ever so nice of you to assume I am atheist just because I don't believe in the same whack ass, ever edited, multiple version, multiple author collection of fables and political manifestos that Stephen Baldwin believes in.

You may also notice you were guilty of self righteous indignation yourself there Proximo, putting yourself on a pedastal above those foolish atheists. Oops!

[RCW1945]

El P.
Can I politely suggest a course of biochemistry?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by RCW1945

El P.
Can I politely suggest a course of biochemistry?

Sure.
Will it tell me how something can come from nothing?
Will it tell me how rock sludge turned into Hawks and Grass?
Great!
I already have the basic course (which made zero mention of either of those things) so recommend what you will.