[keithafc]

He wasn't being sexist, was speaking reality.

[MTVN]

Yep, he was completely right

[supergirthuk]

Tumbleweed! More tumbleweed!

[keithafc]

lol, its true.

[Niamh.]

What did he say? I missed it last night.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

What did he say? I missed it last night.

The usual misogynistic, sexist crap that blokes come out with to justify their bad behaviour and big themselves up. He came out with a fair bit of medieval drivel.

How sad that men still feel the need to feel superior to the other half of the human race.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by angus58

The usual misogynistic, sexist crap that blokes come out with to justify their bad behaviour and big themselves up. He came out with a fair bit of medieval drivel.

How sad that men still feel the need to feel superior to the other half of the human race.

just googled it then

Oh well, he's just lost half the populations votes, more fool him

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

The usual misogynistic, sexist crap that blokes come out with to justify their bad behaviour and big themselves up. He came out with a fair bit of medieval drivel.

How sad that men still feel the need to feel superior to the other half of the human race.

Not really, he wasnt saying it was his personal view, he was just saying that society generally dictates different standards for men than for woman. If a woman sleeps with 10 guys in a short period of time she is considered a slag, if a man did the same he'd get a pat on the back. He didnt say it was right, but it is what happens I'm afarid.

And you're dreaming if you dont think that males have more influence in the world than females

[robb]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really, he wasnt saying it was his personal view, he was just saying that society generally dictates different standards for men than for woman. If a woman sleeps with 10 guys in a short period of time she is considered a slag, if a man did the same he'd get a pat on the back. He didnt say it was right, but it is what happens I'm afarid.

And you're dreaming if you dont think that males have more influence in the world than females

The way he started made it look like it WAS his personal view. I've never liked Christie anyway. He got away with drugs and cheating allegations during his athletics career, and always comes across as a smug, contrary, untrustworthy bloke. Hope it means the end for him soon.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by robb

The way he started made it look like it WAS his personal view. I've never liked Christie anyway. He got away with drugs and cheating allegations during his athletics career, and always comes across as a smug, contrary, untrustworthy bloke. Hope it means the end for him soon.

Well, he then explained that it wasnt so you dont really have an argument there.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really, he wasnt saying it was his personal view, he was just saying that society generally dictates different standards for men than for woman. If a woman sleeps with 10 guys in a short period of time she is considered a slag, if a man did the same he'd get a pat on the back. He didnt say it was right, but it is what happens I'm afarid.

And you're dreaming if you dont think that males have more influence in the world than females

Of course males have more influence overall in the world than females After several thousand years of subjugation by MEN, women have only in the last century been able to access a decent education, good jobs and to live autonomously and do what they like without having to get the permission of a male. Unfortunately, in many parts of the world, women are still subjugated and discriminated against (brought into sharp focus with immigrants to this country) - whilst here in the West it is still an uphill struggle to change medieval misogynistic attitudes and mindsets.

As recently as the 1970s women were not allowed to take out a mortgage in their own right - they had to have a male guarantor! And women have had to fight hard to earn the same wage as a man doing the exact same job! With such outrageous oppression by the physically (but not much else) male population, women have a lot of ground to make up considering men have been strutting about calling the shots for several thousand years, having had the benefit of independence of action and thought, education, and the freedom to shag around as much as they like. Unsurprising then that women have had little opportunity to exert as much influence, so that argument is a massive fail.

Women now have access to the same opportunities that men have ALWAYS enjoyed and had this been the case from time immemorial the sexes would be equal in terms of achievements, influence and power.

The fact that women are not TREATED equally, does not mean they are unequal - there is a difference.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

Of course males have more influence overall in the world than females

That's all I needed, you agree with Linford then.

[keithafc]

Originally Posted by angus58

Of course males have more influence overall in the world than females After several thousand years of subjugation by MEN, women have only in the last century been able to access a decent education, good jobs and to live autonomously and do what they like without having to get the permission of a male. Unfortunately, in many parts of the world, women are still subjugated and discriminated against (brought into sharp focus with immigrants to this country) - whilst here in the West it is still an uphill struggle to change medieval misogynistic attitudes and mindsets.

As recently as the 1970s women were not allowed to take out a mortgage in their own right - they had to have a male guarantor! And women have had to fight hard to earn the same wage as a man doing the exact same job! With such outrageous oppression by the physically (but not much else) male population, women have a lot of ground to make up considering men have been strutting about calling the shots for several thousand years, having had the benefit of independence of action and thought, education, and the freedom to shag around as much as they like. Unsurprising then that women have had little opportunity to exert as much influence, so that argument is a massive fail.

Women now have access to the same opportunities that men have ALWAYS enjoyed and had this been the case from time immemorial the sexes would be equal in terms of achievements, influence and power.

The fact that women are not TREATED equally, does not mean they are unequal - there is a difference.

You have completely missed the point of what linford said and what the point of the discussion was about. We are talking about NOW. Regardless of why it happens, its the fact it HAPPENS.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by angus58

The usual misogynistic, sexist crap that blokes come out with to justify their bad behaviour and big themselves up. He came out with a fair bit of medieval drivel.

How sad that men still feel the need to feel superior to the other half of the human race.

You're completely missing the point he made. He never said he believed that it should be the case [infact he clearly stated it's wrong], but that it is indeed case. Men have a lot more power and influence over women [like you've just stated]. That's a fact. It's not right, it's wrong, I know - but that's the way it is. And that's what he was saying as well

But, IMO, part of the reason why women are labelled 'slags' when they sleep around, but men aren't - is pretty much because women appear to care far more about what other people are doing with their lives than what men do. To be quite honest, I couldn't give a flying ***** whether someone shagged a thousand people in a week - it makes no difference to me and doesn't make them a 'slag' at all. But in most women's eyes [not all] it does. Why? I don't know. Maybe it's jealousy, or maybe they're just too interested in what other people are doing. But whatever it is, IMO, women generally have themselves to blame for that unfairness. Most of the time it's women throwing the word 'slag' around, not men.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

What did he say? I missed it last night.

He said some things that men do women shouldn't do and men rule the world,LOL yeah right and look at the state its in

[Niamh.]

It all sounds very playgroundish if you ask me, kind of boys are better than girls na na na na na. It's more funny than insulting!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

It all sounds very playgroundish if you ask me, kind of boys are better than girls na na na na na. It's more funny than insulting!

Girls rule and boys drool!!

[keithafc]

Because he is old fashioned, does not mean he thinks its RIGHT men rule the world but society does think like this.

There is so many thick people in the UK who actually thought Stacey was right in an argument when she didn't raise a good point. Linford was the only one who actually spoke a lot of sense in what he said about society judging women differently from men when it comes to sex with different men/women.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i ****ing hate sexism, that what he was saying about if a girl slept with loads of men she would be a slag but if a man did he would get a pat on the back that really gets on my tits. i think i just hate men. they are nice to look at but thats it

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

infact scrap that, i just hate people in general

[robb]

Linford isn't right in the head lol. He justifies what he does (behaving like a male slag) by blaming girls who do the same thing. Two wrongs are just as bad as one another......as Stacey said.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

What's Sarah Palin got to do with this?

You said as a joke that men being in charge had messed up the world, I replied that you women arent really well represented on the politics stage by the likes of Palin

[MTVN]

With regards to men being able to sleep around etc.

If a key opens lots of locks, it's a master key. But if a lock is opened by lots of keys, then it's a ****ty lock.

[cub]

I think he was right at the end bit of his argument, suggesting it's society's view. But he started it of by say, "I know I'm old fashioned but ... " indicating he believed that too.

I think he's entitled to hold an opinion. You would have to take in his age and upbringing, but I can't share it.

A girl who sleeps around isn't really respecting her body and self-worth, and neither is a boy that does the same thing. Personal relationships are like the food you eat. It's better when it's wholesome, when it means something and is good for you.