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Chuck · 04-02-2011, 01:51 PM

Im not sure if this subject has been debated previously, excuse me if it has.

As you all know France banned burka not a long ago and now the German state of Hesse has became the first region of the country to ban Muslin women from wearing burkas.

I've read this on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...lim-anger.html

And judging by the comments I've read, it seems that most of readers wish the same would happen in the UK.

What's your opinion on that?

patsylimerick · 04-02-2011, 01:52 PM

Of course it should be banned. Apparently it's unacceptable to offend an entire religion - but perfectly fine to oppress an entire gender.

arista · 04-02-2011, 01:53 PM

its a start.

I think a ban could be Fun.

Zippy · 04-02-2011, 01:54 PM

I think they are a symbol of oppression. Totally sexist and send out a disgusting message that shouldnt be tolerated in this country.

What are our children learning from seeing women dressed like this? Take your backwards culture back to your own backwards country.

MTVN · 04-02-2011, 01:56 PM

Yeah this was debated at length here before lol. I would be totally against legalising against someones right to wear what they want, and someones right to express their religion how they want. Ironically it's normally feminists who want a ban, the ones who call for female liberation but then feel they should dictate to people what is and what isnt acceptable for woman to wear

patsylimerick · 04-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah this was debated at length here before lol. I would be totally against legalising against someones right to wear what they want, and someones right to express their religion how they want. Ironically it's normally feminists who want a ban, the ones who call for female liberation but then feel they should dictate to people what is and what isnt acceptable for woman to wear

You're either fishing here or you're really that obtuse. By your logic, women being required to cover themselves from head to foot is liberating them. The mind boggles....................................

Tom4784 · 04-02-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

You're either fishing here or you're really that obtuse. By your logic, women being required to cover themselves from head to foot is liberating them. The mind boggles....................................

You've missed the point completely. He was essentially saying that if it's the woman's choice to wear a Burkha then by banning it you're stripping her of the liberty to wear what she wants. Not that the Burkha represents liberation, just that it's their choice to wear it or not.

Angus · 04-02-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've missed the point completely. He was essentially saying that if it's the woman's choice to wear a Burkha then by banning it you're stripping her of the liberty to wear what she wants. Not that the Burkha represents liberation, just that it's their choice to wear it or not.

The point is that this is a western country and as a woman it offends ME to have to daily encounter this vile visual symbol of female subjugation, and I know for a fact that I am not alone in feeling that way. My rights to NOT be offended should be taken into consideration as much as the rights of the women who supposedly "choose" to wear the burka. I am highly sceptical as to the fact that ALL women who wear the burka do so out of choice - I suspect it is often coercion by their male relatives.

letmein · 04-02-2011, 05:35 PM

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My rights to NOT be offended should be taken into consideration as much as the rights of the women who supposedly "choose" to wear the burka.

Uh, no. The world does not revolve around you.

Tom4784 · 04-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah this was debated at length here before lol. I would be totally against legalising against someones right to wear what they want, and someones right to express their religion how they want. Ironically it's normally feminists who want a ban, the ones who call for the liberation of woman but then feel they should dictate to people what is and what isnt acceptable clothing

I agree with this really. If it's the woman's choice to do so then she should be allowed to wear it. There's obviously some places where it shouldn't be worn though as they can be used to hide your identity so in those cases it should be treated like a hoody or something.

patsylimerick · 04-02-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I agree with this really. If it's the woman's choice to do so then she should be allowed to wear it. There's obviously some places where it shouldn't be worn though as they can be used to hide your identity so in those cases it should be treated like a hoody or something.

Take a few minutes before you respond, but do you GENUINELY think it's EVER a woman's true choice, the wearing of a burkha? Really, now?

Tom4784 · 04-02-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Take a few minutes before you respond, but do you GENUINELY think it's EVER a woman's true choice, the wearing of a burkha? Really, now?

I think in rare cases it isn't but more often then not it is. I don't agree with what the Burkha stands for but if someone chooses to wear it then that's their decision.

patsylimerick · 04-02-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've missed the point completely. He was essentially saying that if it's the woman's choice to wear a Burkha then by banning it you're stripping her of the liberty to wear what she wants. Not that the Burkha represents liberation, just that it's their choice to wear it or not.

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I think in rare cases it isn't but more often then not it is. I don't agree with what the Burkha stands for but if someone chooses to wear it then that's their decision.

I'm going to assume you're a man, because I really don't think a woman could post the above and I also think it's a smashing illustration of the divide of understanding between the sexes. Women who are kicked in the head on a weekly basis stay in the same house as the men who do it. Do you think that's because they like it? And don't tell me it's an entirely different thing. It's exactly the same. The burkha is just the thin end of the wedge and, for some bizarre reason, an edge that's being ignored.

bananarama · 04-02-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think in rare cases it isn't but more often then not it is. I don't agree with what the Burkha stands for but if someone chooses to wear it then that's their decision.

Time and time again people pop up and claim they choose to wear it as a free choice............I million percent wrong........

Women who have been raised from childhood in a religous repressive household are programmed to be as they are in adulthood. There is no free choice about it what so ever........Damaged people are not free people.......They react as per programming (brainwashing).

They need to be freed from such and as such the burka should be banned in order to prevent new generations of the female gender being brainwashed into an idiotic practice.....

People use religions in order to control others..The burka is a living example of that........

It's time the Governments of this sloppy country woke up and smelt the coffee and ensured all women of this country regardless of nationaity or religion are saved from parenthood that brainwashes children.........

Not only should it be a criminal offence to promote the burka it should also be a criminal offence to send any child to any type of faith (brainwashing) school........

Zippy · 04-02-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah this was debated at length here before lol. I would be totally against legalising against someones right to wear what they want, and someones right to express their religion how they want. Ironically it's normally feminists who want a ban, the ones who call for the liberation of woman but then feel they should dictate to people what is and what isnt acceptable for woman to wear

It's not about clothing. This garments sole purpose is to hide women away. Its offensive and demeaning to the female race.

Its not even a religious requirement. Even if it were I'd still be opposed.

And its damn creepy speaking to just a pair of eyes through a slit. Men wouldnt be allowed to go round in balaclavas. Certainly not in shops, airports etc.

MTVN · 04-02-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

You're either fishing here or you're really that obtuse. By your logic, women being required to cover themselves from head to foot is liberating them. The mind boggles....................................

Oh stop with this whole utter disbelief act that you put on every time someone disagrees with you.

Like Dezzy said you missed the point, by banning the burka you are denying the woman to right to make a decision on this for herself, it's about the freedom to choose and not imposing your own narrow-minded views on other people

It's quite arrogant of you to presume that all woman are being forced to wear one as well, you cant legalise against something based on an irrational presumption. Maybe some do get forced to wear it, but many others do not.

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Originally Posted by Zippy

It's not about clothing. This garments sole purpose is to hide women away. Its offensive and demeaning to the female race.

Its not even a religious requirement. Even if it were I'd still be opposed.

And its damn creepy speaking to just a pair of eyes through a slit. Men wouldnt be allowed to go round in balaclavas. Certainly not in shops, airports etc.

It's only offensive and demeaning in your eyes though, in theirs it is a way of expressing their religion, a way of staying true to their faith.

patsylimerick · 04-02-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh stop with this whole utter disbelief act that you put on every time someone disagrees with you.

Like Dezzy said you missed the point, by banning the burka you are denying the woman to right to make a decision on this for herself, it's about the freedom to choose and not imposing your own narrow-minded views on other people

It's quite arrogant of you to presume that all woman are being forced to wear one as well, you cant legalise against something based on an irrational presumption. Maybe some do get forced to wear it, but many others do not.
It's only offensive and demeaning in your eyes though, in theirs it is a way of expressing their religion, a way of staying true to their faith.

Ah, well, that's OK then.......

MTVN · 04-02-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Ah, well, that's OK then.......

Can you start responding to the whole of posts please? Instead of just addressing one bolded line?

As I said directly before that bit, you are going by a presumption and a mass generalisation. You're basically saying that woman are not capable of making this decision for themselves and if they do make a choice to wear one, they must be oppressed, and been forced into doing so. Some Jews maybe get forced to wear the kippah by their parents, should that now be banned?

Lee. · 04-02-2011, 02:10 PM

I'm not a feminist by the furthest stretch of the imagination but personally I believe the Burka symbolises oppression of women. I understand that their religion demands modesty, but to cover up every part of their body including their hair and head is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Zippy · 04-02-2011, 02:13 PM

A Bhurka is not a fashion statement. Lets be clear about that before we talk about choice.

would you be happy to see these women walk around with balls and chains round their ankles? just because they chose to?

It's not just about them. Its the message theyre sending out. We don't need children seeing women covered like that.

Lee. · 04-02-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy

A Bhurka is not a fashion statement. Lets be clear about that before we talk about choice.

would you be happy to see these women walk around with balls and chains round their ankles? just because they chose to?

It's not just about them. Its the message theyre sending out. We don't need children seeing women covered like that.

Yip,that's a good point.. I wouldn't like to have to explain to my children that another human being cannot let herself be seen unless in private in the company of her husband/family.