[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah this was debated at length here before lol. I would be totally against legalising against someones right to wear what they want, and someones right to express their religion how they want. Ironically it's normally feminists who want a ban, the ones who call for the liberation of woman but then feel they should dictate to people what is and what isnt acceptable for woman to wear

It's not about clothing. This garments sole purpose is to hide women away. Its offensive and demeaning to the female race.

Its not even a religious requirement. Even if it were I'd still be opposed.

And its damn creepy speaking to just a pair of eyes through a slit. Men wouldnt be allowed to go round in balaclavas. Certainly not in shops, airports etc.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

You're either fishing here or you're really that obtuse. By your logic, women being required to cover themselves from head to foot is liberating them. The mind boggles....................................

Oh stop with this whole utter disbelief act that you put on every time someone disagrees with you.

Like Dezzy said you missed the point, by banning the burka you are denying the woman to right to make a decision on this for herself, it's about the freedom to choose and not imposing your own narrow-minded views on other people

It's quite arrogant of you to presume that all woman are being forced to wear one as well, you cant legalise against something based on an irrational presumption. Maybe some do get forced to wear it, but many others do not.

Originally Posted by Zippy

It's not about clothing. This garments sole purpose is to hide women away. Its offensive and demeaning to the female race.

Its not even a religious requirement. Even if it were I'd still be opposed.

And its damn creepy speaking to just a pair of eyes through a slit. Men wouldnt be allowed to go round in balaclavas. Certainly not in shops, airports etc.

It's only offensive and demeaning in your eyes though, in theirs it is a way of expressing their religion, a way of staying true to their faith.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh stop with this whole utter disbelief act that you put on every time someone disagrees with you.

Like Dezzy said you missed the point, by banning the burka you are denying the woman to right to make a decision on this for herself, it's about the freedom to choose and not imposing your own narrow-minded views on other people

It's quite arrogant of you to presume that all woman are being forced to wear one as well, you cant legalise against something based on an irrational presumption. Maybe some do get forced to wear it, but many others do not.
It's only offensive and demeaning in your eyes though, in theirs it is a way of expressing their religion, a way of staying true to their faith.

Ah, well, that's OK then.......

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Ah, well, that's OK then.......

Can you start responding to the whole of posts please? Instead of just addressing one bolded line?

As I said directly before that bit, you are going by a presumption and a mass generalisation. You're basically saying that woman are not capable of making this decision for themselves and if they do make a choice to wear one, they must be oppressed, and been forced into doing so. Some Jews maybe get forced to wear the kippah by their parents, should that now be banned?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Can you start responding to the whole of posts please? Instead of just addressing one bolded line?

As I said directly before that bit, you are going by a presumption and a mass generalisation. You're basically saying that woman are not capable of making this decision for themselves and if they do make a choice to wear one, they must be oppressed, and been forced into doing so. Some Jews maybe get forced to wear the kippah by their parents, should that now be banned?

No, because it's not gender specific and it's not a direct reference to the demand for subservience from women.
Again, where, exactly, did I say that the women aren't "capable" of making the decision. Of course they're capable. They're societally oppressed, religiously oppressed and, sadly, oppressed by every male in their household. The wearing of a burkha is the surrender of the spirit, and I really feel sad and sorry for anyone who won't or can't see that.

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Can you start responding to the whole of posts please? Instead of just addressing one bolded line?

As I said directly before that bit, you are going by a presumption and a mass generalisation. You're basically saying that woman are not capable of making this decision for themselves and if they do make a choice to wear one, they must be oppressed, and been forced into doing so. Some Jews maybe get forced to wear the kippah by their parents, should that now be banned?

Jews don't treat the female sex as something of lesser value than a man

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Originally Posted by happyland

Jews don't treat the female sex as something of lesser value than a man

But Jews still emphasise modesty among females, a lot of married Jewish women will cover their hair

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Some Jews maybe get forced to wear the kippah by their parents, should that now be banned?

are you seriously trying to compare a small round cap attached to the crown to a full head/face/body cover up?

they have totally different significance. And certainly send out totally different messages.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

are you seriously trying to compare a small round cap attached to the crown to a full head/face/body cover up?

they have totally different significance. And certainly send out totally different messages.

In a sense they are similar. Neither are religious requirements but some consider them to be important to their religion. The kippah may also be a way of protecting modesty, the burkha is intended to do the same although admittedly takes it to a much greater extent.