[Liberty4eva]

So last night I had a conversation with my sister where she said she has a friend at work whose only aspiration is to be a mother and raise kids. My sister acted like there was something wrong with that being your primary goal in life: to raise a family. She plans on becoming a nurse as apparently it's far more fashionable for women to aspire to doctors, lawyers, and scientists than to aspire to be what biology and nature intended them to be all along: a mother.

Considering how the birthrate is dangerously low in the western world and especially Europe, I'm surprised that being a mother isn't looked upon with the respect it deserves. Having and raising is kids is not only a job, it is THE most important job anyone could possibly have. It's the most important thing you'll ever do in your life. I have immense respect for women who can without shame say plainly that all they want to do is raise a family and am surprised that more people don't feel the same way. Thoughts?

[fruit_cake]

it's not bad, but women should have the choice to work too.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

it's not bad, but women should have the choice to work too.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the choice to work. I'm saying being a mother isn't held in high esteem which it should.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I'm not saying they shouldn't have the choice to work. I'm saying being a mother isn't held in high esteem which it should.

Yes it should, there is no job more important imo

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

it's not bad, but women should have the choice to work too.

Yes for Yank Women

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes for Yank Women

right, because America has the worst human rights records when it comes to women's rights...*get real*


Interesting fact: Black men had the right to vote in America before white women had the right to vote.(i love you Hillary <3)

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

right, because America has the worst human rights records when it comes to women's rights...*get real*


Interesting fact: Black men had the right to vote in America before white women had the right to vote.(i love you Hillary <3)

No its the Yank Women Rights out there.

When I worked in LA
I was shocked at the amount of Over Cocky Women.


Life In The City.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

No its the Yank Women Rights out there.

When I worked in LA
I was shocked at the amount of Over Cocky Women.


Life In The City.

over cocky women?? lol, as oppossed to the exact proper amount of cockyness women?? WTF are you on about???

[Niamh.]

I think it's far better for kids to be raised by either parent instead of being passed to child minders/creches.

[lostalex]

because there is not talent or skill or work required to make babies. Any idiot with a vagina can do it.

Aspiring to CARE for children however is a noble pursuit, someone who spends time actually educating themselves about child care, getting a degree in it, that is admirable.

However having children, well any bitch in heat can do that.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

because there is not talent or skill or work required to make babies. Any idiot with a vagina can do it.

Aspiring to CARE for children however is a noble pursuit, someone who spends time actually educating themselves about child care, getting a degree in it, that is admirable.

However having children, well any bitch in heat can do that.

Factually incorrect statement there lostalex. Many woman cannot 'make' babies, many women are unable to conceive.

Re the OP and thread - if it's possible, I think until the child goes to school, that it's good for a parent not to be working (full time anyway) - but it's a balance between being able to provide and give the best & sometimes both salaries are still needed for that. What suits some, doesn't suit others. As long as the wee one still gets love,care, and attention, there shouldn't be an issue.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Factually incorrect statement there lostalex. Many woman cannot 'make' babies, many women are unable to conceive.

yes i know, i was adopted by one of those women who doesn't have a functioning uterus.

That's exactly WHY i'm pointing out how NOT special it is to be able to conceive, and how we should be placing praise on women and parents that actually prepare for caring for children.

Adoptive parents have to jump through hoops to receive a child.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes i know, i was adopted by one of those women who doesn't have a functioning uterus.

That's exactly WHY i'm pointing out how NOT special it is to be able to conceive, and how we should be placing praise on women and parents that actually prepare for caring for children.

Adoptive parents have to jump through hoops to receive a child.

Just pointing out the inaccuracy within your statement. Not only can not every woman conceive, a great many are not able to carry the baby to full term. I think you will find that any parent who has conceived and given birth, a very high number of parents do regard it as special.

It's a matter of personal choice whether mother is stay at home mum or can juggle worklife/career - bearing in mind, the child will ultimately benefit in different ways from either of the choice that the mother makes. I'm sure that it won't make the mother love the child any less and vice versa.

[lostalex]

If you can do it by accident, then it's not exactly rocket science, is it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you can do it by accident, then it's not exactly rocket science, is it?

Making a baby is one thing, being a good parent is another. No one said it's rocket science but it's still a very important job.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you can do it by accident, then it's not exactly rocket science, is it?

You can get pregnant by accident, sure. But actually raising a child is very different.

[Vicky.]

I may be wrong, but I think a few people who look down on people who only want to be parents...do so because of the very high amount of teens who pop out sprogs just so the state will keep them all their lives, give them a house etc etc.

Its wrong to lump everyone into the same category, as Im sure those kinds of people are few and far between (only we hear about it more) but sadly thats what happens :S

There seems to be a kind of stigma that comes with having kids these days, and its not right :/

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I may be wrong, but I think a few people who look down on people who only want to be parents...do so because of the very high amount of teens who pop out sprogs just so the state will keep them all their lives, give them a house etc etc.

Its wrong to lump everyone into the same category, as Im sure those kinds of people are few and far between (only we hear about it more) but sadly thats what happens :S

There seems to be a kind of stigma that comes with having kids these days, and its not right :/

I agree. A young mum back in the 50, 60's, 70's and 80's etc.. wasn't even judged that they had a child young unless they were not married. Now if a young person has a child people are like "woah you are a bit young arn't you". I do think being a mum/dad should have more credit. Plenty of people young and old who are parents work damn hard to bring their sprogs up and try and make them the best they can be. Of course some have this mind set but are still sponging off the government.

It's nice that in particular women who just want a family in life want one. But I think obviously after they have left school they should find any job to well get any money because it's just the wrong message sponging off the government.

Or if a woman wants the lifestyle of getting a husband, having children and the husband being the breadwinner and the woman being a housewife with the children there is no shame in that at all!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Being a mother is the most important job in the world and most people realise this.

[Benjamin]

There is nothing wrong with women who just want to raise children and provide a warm and loving environment and family life. Women do have the option to work, but if they choose to raise a family as their job, then I don't see why people have an issue with that.

My main issue is with women who just get pregnant so they can get a house and money from the government, that I do not respect.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There is nothing wrong with women who just want to raise children and provide a warm and loving environment and family life. Women do have the option to work, but if they choose to raise a family as their job, then I don't see why people have an issue with that.

My main issue is with women who just get pregnant so they can get a house and money from the government, that I do not respect.

I pretty much agree with this.

I think mothers should still work too, because if allows the child to learn that they can't be with mother (or father) all the time. It helps prepare them for school. Families can always do with the extra support and it doesn't hurt the child.

[lostalex]

Roseanne is my favourite show from the 90's. Now That's a real representation of parenthood!

Youtube video

[Niall]

I can understand why some see it is a bad thing, given the potential things a woman could do with her life over being a stay at home mother, but at the same time I think that a woman has every right to become a stay at home Mum if she pleases.

I don't have a single problem with it. If it means more time for the child to spend with the mother and the mother is happy with and wants that, then it can only be good.

[Ammi]

It isn't bad to be at home in the early years, if that's what you choose but it's important to have a career too as part of parenting is financial support

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

It isn't bad to be at home in the early years, if that's what you choose but it's important to have a career too as part of parenting is financial support

But if the father is happy to be the one providing the financial support and the mother is happy for him to be the bread winner then I also see nothing wrong in that situation.