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arista · 01-02-2012, 01:09 PM

Title Changed 8/3/12

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Taliban will Rule Afghanistan again
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...eport-pakistan

Pakistan respects the Taliban more than the US Troops.

So the USA Led Invasion
ends up like the Russian Invasion - No Frecking Change.

lostalex · 01-02-2012, 02:07 PM

The Russians and the Americans made the same mistake, assuming that they were dealing with intelligent and reasonable human beings.

Radical muslims are not reasonable human beings.

arista · 01-02-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The Russians and the Americans made the same mistake, assuming that they were dealing with intelligent and reasonable human beings.

Radical muslims are not reasonable human beings.

Its a Nation that does not want Outside Control,
and it about time USA and Russia
learnt that simple fact.

lostalex · 01-02-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Its a Nation that does not want Outside Control,
and it about time USA and Russia
learnt that simple fact.

really? well i don't remember America doing anything to disturb "their nation" it was 9/11 that came from afghanistan that caused to invade, so maybe if they don't want invaders they shouldn't allow terrorist groups to fester within their borders.

They seemed plenty willing to kill gays and women, so why weren't they killing Osama Bin Laden when he was living there????

arista · 01-02-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

really? well i don't remember America doing anything to disturb "their nation" it was 9/11 that came from afghanistan that caused to invade, so maybe if they don't want invaders they shouldn't allow terrorist groups to fester within their borders.

They seemed plenty willing to kill gays and women, so why weren't they killing Osama Bin Laden when he was living there????

Saudi Arabia as well.

But No way did America have to waste over 10 years getting no place better
just like the Russians did.

Loads of nations Kill Gays - Thats the way there God Vision goes.

Of course there is No God , anyway.

Shasown · 03-02-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

really? well i don't remember America doing anything to disturb "their nation" it was 9/11 that came from afghanistan that caused to invade, so maybe if they don't want invaders they shouldn't allow terrorist groups to fester within their borders.

They seemed plenty willing to kill gays and women, so why weren't they killing Osama Bin Laden when he was living there????

Another case of selective amnesia.

9/11 didnt come from Afghanista. Al Quaeda had training camps there yes they also had training camps in other countries too including Pakistan.

9/11 came about as a plan by Bin Laden and company expressing a wish for the US to remove its troops from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and to stop interferring in Middle Eastern politics.

Lets not forget Bin liner was trained by the CIA to recruit train and use terrorist cells to attack the USSR infrastructure in Afghansitan during their little party there.

Top Tip of the Day: If you read up on that little fracas you may find some similarities to the current situation.

lostalex · 03-02-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Another case of selective amnesia.

9/11 didnt come from Afghanista. Al Quaeda had training camps there yes they also had training camps in other countries too including Pakistan.

9/11 came about as a plan by Bin Laden and company expressing a wish for the US to remove its troops from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and to stop interferring in Middle Eastern politics.

Lets not forget Bin liner was trained by the CIA to recruit train and use terrorist cells to attack the USSR infrastructure in Afghansitan during their little party there.

Top Tip of the Day: If you read up on that little fracas you may find some similarities to the current situation.

and unlike afghanistan(the taliban), all the other countries that were housing terrorists agreed to crack down on it, unlike afghanistan(taliban).

Now i certainly agree with you that PAKIstani's are just as evil as the afghans, but at least they agreed to try to fight against Al Queada (obviously now that we see they were protecting OBL the whole time, we know the truth) but at least they PRETENDED to wanna fight terrorists, the Taliban didn't agree to fight terrorists at all.

lostalex · 03-02-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Another case of selective amnesia.

9/11 didnt come from Afghanista. Al Quaeda had training camps there yes they also had training camps in other countries too including Pakistan.

9/11 came about as a plan by Bin Laden and company expressing a wish for the US to remove its troops from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and to stop interferring in Middle Eastern politics.

Lets not forget Bin liner was trained by the CIA to recruit train and use terrorist cells to attack the USSR infrastructure in Afghansitan during their little party there.

Top Tip of the Day: If you read up on that little fracas you may find some similarities to the current situation.

Bin LAden was not trained by the CIA, please provide any proof at ALL that Bin LAden had any contact with the CIA, you have none, you've been watching Loose Change and ZEitgeist, that's what you consider reliable information. LOL.

Get Educated plzzz.

arista · 08-03-2012, 07:42 AM

Afghanistan Women are going back to the way they were:

This has been reported this week on Radio5

The current President Hamid Karzai
has now set up the laws on women as the same as the Taliban,
he of course says no,
its the Islamic way.

Now when the Americans and others Invaded Afghanistan
they were there to destroy The Terror groups they felt were connected
to 9/11.
And Womens Rights are Not Part of the Real Deal.

And this nation has every right to return to their Original Islamic ways
that mean women can not leave the house without a man.

The Troops that invaded were there to stop Terror
Not become Crusaders.
Fact.

The Current Flag

08-03-2012, 09:13 AM

Would people expect Americans to roll over and let the troops in, if a Muslim country invaded America to capture George Bush and Dick Cheney? They presided over war crimes and are personally responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as opposed to relatively minuscule 3-4000 casualties on 9/11.

If Americans are so outraged by those attacks, then why are they still shafting the first responders, who have shortened their own lives, because they wanted to help follow citizens.

America is shafting it's own heroes.

I guarantee that they wouldn't have attacked (nuclear armed) Pakistan if it was them, just like nobody questioned why most of the hijackers were Saudi, yet nothing was ever looked at with them.

lostalex · 08-03-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Would people expect Americans to roll over and let the troops in, if a Muslim country invaded America to capture George Bush and Dick Cheney? They presided over war crimes and are personally responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as opposed to relatively minuscule 3-4000 casualties on 9/11.

Minuscule? Everything you are is too horrible for me to say here and you're not worth getting an infraction for.

umm, what war crimes? Actually America did more to prevent civilian deaths than any other country in the history of war fare, so please educate us on these war crimes.

And a Muslim country did invade us, ON 9/11. try to keep up.

08-03-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

Minuscule? Everything you are is too horrible for me to say here and you're not worth getting an infraction for.

umm, what war crimes? Actually America did more to prevent civilian deaths than any other country in the history of war fare, so please educate us on these war crimes.

And a Muslim country did invade us, ON 9/11. try to keep up.

The key word is "relatively," my hyper sensitive sparring partner. Those 3-4000 people, whilst tragic, are small fry when compared to between 200,000-1.5 million deaths due to the invasion of Iraq. A country that had no weapons of mass destruction, and had nothing to do with 9/11.

War crimes? How about Torture? Waterboarding is torture, but bush/cheney turned it into policy. How about the treatment of prisoners in Abu Grahib?

Bush was due to fly accross to Europe last year but he **** it, because there are human rights groups that want him arrested.

You were never attacked by a Muslim country on 9/11. You were attacked by a small group of fundamentalist Muslims.

I await your next bout of completely over the top reactions to an opinion differing from yours.

lostalex · 08-03-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The key word is "relatively," my hyper sensitive sparring partner. Those 3-4000 people, whilst tragic, are small fry when compared to between 200,000-1.5 million deaths due to the invasion of Iraq. A country that had no weapons of mass destruction, and had nothing to do with 9/11.

War crimes? How about Torture? Waterboarding is torture, but bush/cheney turned it into policy. How about the treatment of prisoners in Abu Grahib?

Bush was due to fly accross to Europe last year but he **** it, because there are human rights groups that want him arrested.

You were never attacked by a Muslim country on 9/11. You were attacked by a small group of fundamentalist Muslims.

I await your next bout of completely over the top reactions to an opinion differing from yours.

yea, there are also human rights groups that want all abortion doctors put in jail for "murder".

Give me a BREAK.

and no it's NOT a SMALL group of Muslims, it's MOST of them. And if it's not, then we wouldn't have to be over there, cause the other muslims would have taken care of it themselves.

The whole town doesn't come out to celebrate over killing innocent civilians, chanting Death to America, and burning American flags if it's just a "small group".

GET REAL.

arista · 08-03-2012, 09:44 AM

"just like nobody questioned why most of the hijackers were Saudi, yet nothing was ever looked at with them. "

Yes Atta , from Egypt
was the Leader of those Death Planes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

Brother Leon · 08-03-2012, 12:26 PM

The casualties of 9/11 are minuscule compared to what the USA & Israel have done in certain places though.

lostalex · 08-03-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Anton

The casualties of 9/11 are minuscule compared to what the USA & Israel have done in certain places though.

ummmm, no sorry, targetting THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT Civililians, please give me any example of the US ever doing that, and then tell me how it's minuscule, you *** **** ****** (censored to avoid infraction)

Maybe you don't GRASP the concept of TARGETTING INNOCENT CIVILIANS, do you? It's a pretty IMPORTANT concept to grasp when it comes to warfare.

THEY target INNOCENT CIVILIANS, WE DON"T. It's a huge difference.

Brother Leon · 08-03-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

ummmm, no sorry, targetting THREE THOUSAND INNOCENT Civililians, please give me any example of the US ever doing that, and then tell me how it's minuscule, you *** **** ****** (censored to avoid infraction)

Maybe you don't GRASP the concept of TARGETTING INNOCENT CIVILIANS, do you?

I fully understand the concept of Innocent Civilians.

How about the poor Iraqi Men,Women & Children who lost their homes & lives due to American invasion & Policy?

How about the poor Lebanese people that were bombarded by a Nation already so much bigger than itself in Israel, yet the Americans felt the need to get involved and start supporting Israel

How about the fact the USA likes to twist the fact that innocent Palestinians are being killed everyday into one of "Retaliation from Israel" when that is far from the truth.?

You want statistics, well ok.....The USA have killed 30 Muslims for every One American lost at the hands of "Muslims".

arista · 08-03-2012, 01:43 PM

On Topic

If you Invade do not Expect Woman to get Human Rights
After 10 years it's going backwards.

A School built for all children Girls and boys
was Burnt by the locals. (ref: Radio 5 breakfast)
As under their Islamic Rule women are not the
same "Level" as men in life.

Today is International Womans Day
but in this nation is counts as Bugger All.
Fact.

lostalex · 08-03-2012, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

On Topic

If you Invade do not Expect Woman to get Human Rights
After 10 years it's going backwards.

A School built for all children Girls and boys
was Burnt by the locals. (ref: Radio 5 breakfast)
As under their Islamic Rule women are not the
same "Level" as men in life.

Today is International Womans Day
but in this nation is counts as Bugger All.
Fact.

I completely agree. After 9/11, we should've just dropped a crap load of bombs on them for a month, and then LEFT. We were stupid ever trying to introduce CIVILIZATION to those things.

Niamh. · 08-03-2012, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

On Topic

If you Invade do not Expect Woman to get Human Rights
After 10 years it's going backwards.

A School built for all children Girls and boys
was Burnt by the locals. (ref: Radio 5 breakfast)
As under their Islamic Rule women are not the
same "Level" as men in life.

Today is International Womans Day
but in this nation is counts as Bugger All.
Fact.

I think it has to come from those countries themselves though. I don't think it ever works when another country tries to force their ways on others who may not be ready yet. What it might do though is give the women a taste of what they're missing and a want to try and win these rights for themselves and their daughters.

arista · 08-03-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it has to come from those countries themselves though. I don't think it ever works when another country tries to force their ways on others who may not be ready yet. What it might do though is give the women a taste of what they're missing and a want to try and win these rights for themselves and their daughters.

Yes Tell that to New Labour Blair.