[sampvt]

He didnt seem all that knowledgable about what needed to be done to complete his gender re asignment. Its been noted on other forums that his gameplan might be the biggest BB has ever seen. I know its getting tough to win BB after Aaron re wrote the book but this could be too hard to swallow.

[rayheartbliss]

i dont think its a gameplay
and im pretty sure he like the others would want to win

his reasons is just better than the others

[Gillian-73]

A scam? what do you mean that he might not really want the surgery?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Gillian-73

A scam? what do you mean that he might not really want the surgery?

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by sampvt

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

We saw a very edited version of a long conversation where he actually did discuss his mental state and said that he had been living as a man for years and has also accepted mentally that thats what he is.

Your posts are pathetic and anyone who actually agrees with you needs their heads checking.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

What do you mean though, that you think he's not actually transgender?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What do you mean though, that you think he's not actually transgender?

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

Well, he's already had an operation to get rid of his breasts and he's obviously taking testosterone as well, all that would suggest that he's heading towards getting the operation.

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by sampvt

TBH Naimh I dont want to get infracted for being out there against him, I simply cant see a great deal of commitment there. Maybe I am wrong but I was reading other posts on other sites and these other sites seem to be running with the idea that all is not clear and I wanted to see if we on here were any different. The problem is as I have stated, that as soon as his transgender is discussed, it creates a minefield of venom and nasty posts. That wasnt my aim.

In closing if you want my personal and unbiased opinion, I would venture to suggest that like people before him, nadia etc, he will still be the same person in many years to come. but thats my opinion based on the fact that I cant see in his eyes or actions that he is fully commited.

None of us are in any position to question his commitment to his gender assignment surgery . We don't know him. Medical professionals have determined that he is and that the hormone treatment and surgery are necessary, they are more informed than any of us. I don't understand why you feel the need to speculate.

[Gillian-73]

Originally Posted by sampvt

After sitting and listening to him going on about gender re asignment the other night, he only spoke about the physical changes with the op. He made it all sound very mechanical and from what I know about this op, as someone with less than an interest than he has, he came accross very unconvincing.

He never covered the phyciatric evaluation, the steps, the waiting time, the experiences of others etc etc. In fact the knowledge he imparted was quite general and vague. I was expecting him to firstly know a bit more but at the same time I also missed the empathy one would expect to hear for one so desparate to get this op over and done with, he just didnt seem that bothered, in fact at one point he did mention some trans genders never have the op, I found that confusing.

We don't know the full extent of the conversation we get an edited version so we can't make judgements like that. I can't or won't anyway!

[Indy]

He's as knowledgeable as he can be without knowing which surgery he's going to get. There's more than one way to do what he needs done, and he's probably been advised not to focus on step 15 when he's still on step 8.

[Marc]

I don't think it's a gameplan tbh. I think people are just too quick ot label people as gameplayers. Pretty petty

[hulakula]

When did he say he was going spend the money (if he wins) on completing his gender reassignment surgery?

[kistar]

Originally Posted by hulakula

When did he say he was going spend the money (if he wins) on completing his gender reassignment surgery?

See the thread should BB give Luke an operation

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by kistar

See the thread should BB give Luke an operation

You haven't answered my question. I presume you are speculating and Luke hasn't disclosed what he is intending to do with the money if he wins.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by hulakula

You haven't answered my question. I presume you are speculating and Luke hasn't disclosed what he is intending to do with the money if he wins.

Have you read through that thread?

[Mrluvaluva]

Surely if he wins he can do with it as he sees fit?

Edit. Oh, I see. You think he might have concocted the story to get some kind of "sympathy" vote to win and then use the money for something else? Is that what you mean?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Surely if he wins he can do with it as he sees fit?

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

[hulakula]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

He's never portrayed himself as a victim because of his transgender status or even said that he needs to win the money in order to have a phalloplasty. Why do you assume he trying to gain the sympathy vote?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thats a gimme but as the thread title says, is he using his plight to gain the sympathy vote.

I edited my post as I caught on to what you were implying and I have to say I do not agree at all. As far as I am aware he has had reassignment to the breasts etc but has not progressed with the genitalia aspects . His reassignment issues do not cause me personally to be biased towards him in any way or form and I just see it as a game of personalities and look upon their actions etc whilst within the house.

[rayheartbliss]

this thread is disgusting....sure he'd love to win, and its pretty obvious, we all know where that money is possibley going to contribute to his surgery!

we know that
and he knows it too

and now hes a gameplayer?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by rayheartbliss

this thread is disgusting....sure he'd love to win, and its pretty obvious, we all know where that money is possibley going to contribute to his surgery!

we know that
and he knows it too

and now hes a gameplayer?

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

Yes but you're not analysing you're accusing.

You wrote he never discussed the mental sides of gender reasignment when he actually did.

I suggest before making absurd threads you pay attention to the show otherwise all you're gonna be doing is posting endless threads about something totally ficticious and making yourself look like a moron.

[kistar]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here we go, now this thread is disgusting is it. It seems ok to call Becky a fat bitch and a whale and its ok to call Ash a slag and a loose woman. Its even ok to call Connor a phyco and all manner of things, it even seems ok to berate and slag off all the housemates, but once someone even dares to question, yes question,(I never stated anything, I just asked for opionions) our little Lukes methods and palns for the future, my thread is disgusting.

I will tell you whats disgusting, the way some members think they can come on here and call other peoples threads disgusting. Thats disgusting and patronising. Luke deserves to be analised just like the others do. Ive never called him anything untoward or stated my opinions in a harsh way. I simply asked a question.

Great thread , you were just posing a question and starting a debate that's what it's all about isn't it?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by kistar

Great thread , you were just posing a question and starting a debate that's what it's all about isn't it?

Thanks Kistar, I was beginning to feel I was getting ganged up on there. lol.