[arista]

Imaani Ali, 17, believes the ban on veils is a breach of her freedom



Feck Me this is a College Rule
they are taking the Piss.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2eewcxK8p


They were both on Ch4 News
last night.

Is this a sex thing?

[Livia]

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil? I have no problem with people wearing religious garb... but the full-face covering is unacceptable to me.

This woman believes that a ban on her face-veil is against her freedom. I don't agree. What's against a woman's freedom is to live in a Muslim country where girls are refused education, or even sometimes medical attention. Making an issue of the face-veil is just deflecting the attention from more serious issues.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil? I have no problem with people wearing religious garb... but the full-face covering is unacceptable to me.

This woman believes that a ban on her face-veil is against her freedom. I don't agree. What's against a woman's freedom is to live in a Muslim country where girls are refused education, or even sometimes medical attention. Making an issue of the face-veil is just deflecting the attention from more serious issues.

Some areas of some Muslim dominated countries perhaps. Though Iran has more female graduates than male

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil? I have no problem with people wearing religious garb... but the full-face covering is unacceptable to me.

This woman believes that a ban on her face-veil is against her freedom. I don't agree. What's against a woman's freedom is to live in a Muslim country where girls are refused education, or even sometimes medical attention. Making an issue of the face-veil is just deflecting the attention from more serious issues.

I agree. I don't want to spout the "go back to your on country" nonsense but I mean lets be honest here, if any of us went to a strict Muslim country we would be expected to live by their rules and punished for breaking them, I don't see why it doesn't work the other way round as well.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree. I don't want to spout the "go back to your on country" nonsense but I mean lets be honest here, if any of us went to a strict Muslim country we would be expected to live by their rules and punished for breaking them, I don't see why it doesn't work the other way round as well.

I never understand this argument. These countries are known to be backwards so why would you want to be like them? And I'm pretty sure this girl is British, what do those countries even have to do with her? The only justified argument for banning it is security reasons, which I agree with.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I never understand this argument. These countries are known to be backwards so why would you want to be like them? And I'm pretty sure this girl is British, what do those countries even have to do with her? The only justified argument for banning it is security reasons, which I agree with.

And covering yourself from head to toe is also backwards and also a very sexist tradition imo

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And covering yourself from head to toe is also backwards and also a very sexist tradition imo

wtf why can't people accept not everyone feels wearing less clothes is liberating, plus as stated before it's their goddamn choice

also you ignored the rest of my post thanks for that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And covering yourself from head to toe is also backwards and also a very sexist tradition imo

Nuns do

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil?

This baclava crap confuses me too. You can't compare them because 99% of the time baclavas are worn for wrong reasons and 99% of the time a face-veil is not

Edit: balaclava* I can't believe I called it a baclava omg

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Salman!

This baclava crap confuses me too. You can't compare them because 99% of the time baclavas are worn for wrong reasons and 99% of the time a face-veil is not

The reasons don't even come into it though? The physical problem of the face veil is that it obscures identity and creates security issues. A balaclava (which creates just the same problem) would not be tolerated, so why make an exception for an item of clothing which is - as you've pointed out - optional for these women?

[joeysteele]

I agree with the College,in this current age with all sorts of dangers about, I feel we all should have the right to see who we are sharing the streets with,stores and indeed all other public places too.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with the College,in this current age with all sorts of dangers about, I feel we all should have the right to see who we are sharing the streets with,stores and indeed all other public places too.

I agree Joey,no need in this country to go about with faces covered,it's not our culture,we would have to adhere to their rules in their country ,so why not adhere to ours.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

Imaani Ali, 17, believes the ban on veils is a breach of her freedom



Feck Me this is a College Rule
they are taking the Piss.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2eewcxK8p


They were both on Ch4 News
last night.

Is this a sex thing?

I don't like to see women walking around with a small tent wrapped around them covered from head to foot.....why would anybody want to do that ??

And to make it only apply to women and to use religion as the supposed reason is outrageous in the extreme.

And for these women to think they actually have made a conscious decision to dress like this is utter self delusion. these women are FORCED by their husbands using religion as the excuse to dress like this, some of them have conditioned themselves to believe in this claptrap as a way of sidestepping the real issue of being bullied by their menfolk into doing this.

No woman......No woman would willingly, wantonly dress like this in public it is utterly ridiculous.

I wish this type of dress was banned in Public places in the UK (like France) it makes my blood boil when I see women abused like this....!!!!!

[Kizzy]

I guess we will be following Europe?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13038095

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I guess we will be following Europe?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13038095

No
this is just about the College Rules


europe can feck off

[HBB1508]

This really winds me up - we are in the UK it's not our religion. If they want to dress like that go back to your own country if you want to live here follow our laws - simple.

[arista]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

This really winds me up - we are in the UK it's not our religion. If they want to dress like that go back to your own country if you want to live here follow our laws - simple.

They are English
but taking the piss.



The College
has the last say , not them

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

This really winds me up - we are in the UK it's not our religion. If they want to dress like that go back to your own country if you want to live here follow our laws - simple.

You can be a Muslim and British, we are a secular country and thankfully our laws do allow for other religions to express themselves as they feel appropriate and it is not for us to dictate what they can and cannot wear

If Birmingham college want to implement this rule I suppose that is their right but it will thankfully not become law in this country

[Tom4784]

It's a security issue, few places allow people to cover their faces so I think it's foolish and attention grabbing for these students to kick up a fuss when it's a rule that everyone has to follow.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a security issue, few places allow people to cover their faces so I think it's foolish and attention grabbing for these students to kick up a fuss when it's a rule that everyone has to follow.

I agree, they probably have the same policy for hoods, so just follow the rules. If we start going down the path of changing the rules to suit individuals where would it all end, stuff like this makes a complete mockery of human rights. Ship them to Syria if they want to claim breach of human rights. Honestly.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, they probably have the same policy for hoods, so just follow the rules. If we start going down the path of changing the rules to suit individuals where would it all end, stuff like this makes a complete mockery of human rights. Ship them to Syria if they want to claim breach of human rights. Honestly.

Yes they do
hoods are banned.


There is something odd about those girls

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

If a man wanted to attend the college and wear a balaclava all day I'm sure there would be objections on security grounds, so why not with a face-veil? I have no problem with people wearing religious garb... but the full-face covering is unacceptable to me.

This woman believes that a ban on her face-veil is against her freedom. I don't agree. What's against a woman's freedom is to live in a Muslim country where girls are refused education, or even sometimes medical attention. Making an issue of the face-veil is just deflecting the attention from more serious issues.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a security issue, few places allow people to cover their faces so I think it's foolish and attention grabbing for these students to kick up a fuss when it's a rule that everyone has to follow.

Agree 100% with both of these.

Originally Posted by HBB1508

This really winds me up - we are in the UK it's not our religion. If they want to dress like that go back to your own country if you want to live here follow our laws - simple.

This might be 'their' country?

I think they are ridiculous to kick up a fuss about this, but I don't really think theres any need for the cries of 'but this is england' or whatever.

[HBB1508]

Sorry but last time I looked this was England maybe I got that wrong. Maybe this is their country and if so they should respect the laws as much as I do - just my opinion.

[arista]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

Sorry but last time I looked this was England maybe I got that wrong. Maybe this is their country and if so they should respect the laws as much as I do - just my opinion.

look
So far they were on Ch4 news Exclusive
and debated on BBC1 this monring
in all papers.


This is a False set up for them to get Media
and even Fox News America
And India News

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

Sorry but last time I looked this was England maybe I got that wrong. Maybe this is their country and if so they should respect the laws as much as I do - just my opinion.

absolutely right if the rules were in place before they accepted their places at College then they have to abide by them.