[arista]

Judy Finnigan forced into humiliating apology on her first day on Loose Women after excusing rape by footballer because it 'wasn't violent and the victim was drunk'

Evans, 25, was jailed for five years in 2012 after raping a 19-year-old woman
Speaking on Loose Women, veteran broadcaster Finnigan said: 'The rape was not violent... he didn't cause any bodily harm to the person'
The 66-year-old added: 'It was unpleasant... she had far too much to drink'
Her comments on the live show sparked immediate outrage on social media
100,000 people have signed petition to prevent Evans from returning to play
Finnigan has since 'apologised unreservedly' for any offence caused


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3G7IXcFLc



She is on loads of Front pages



this Not Her

[Crimson Dynamo]

She got herself trapped in the fact that the word rape covers such a huge range of circumstances and that by pointing out degrees of badness you are not condoning any of them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She got herself trapped in the fact that the word rape covers such a huge range of circumstances and that by pointing out degrees of badness you are not condoning any of them

whilst I get what you're saying it seems to only ever apply to rape that it "not being that bad" is pointed out. Like if someone was murdered by being shot in the head, you're not going to hear someone say well it could have been worse, he could have been tortured first

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

whilst I get what you're saying it seems to only every apply to rape that it "not being that bad" is pointed out. Like if someone was murdered by being shot in the head, you're not going to hear someone say well it could have been worse, he could have been tortured first

There are degrees there too. Beheading someone with a chainsaw is a worse way to die than say being shot in the back of the head at close range

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

No, drunk drivers are essentially in charge of a weapon and are liable to injure not only themselves but other people if they choose to drink and drive. Also, drink driving is illegal, getting drunk in general is not. Should people try to keep themselves safe? of course they should. Should people accept any blame when they're raped, attacked, robbed etc No, that always goes fully to the perpetrator of the crime imo

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are degrees there too. Beheading someone with a chainsaw is a worse way to die than say being shot in the back of the head at close range

I know there is, that wasn't the point I was making in my previous post though

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, drunk drivers are essentially in charge of a weapon and are liable to injury not only themselves but other people if they choose to drink and drive. Also, drink driving is illegal, getting drunk in general is not. Should people try to keep themselves safe? of course they should. Should people accept any blame when they're raped, attacked, robbed etc No, that always goes fully to the perpetrator of the crime imo

Exactly, maybe teach men not to rape women rather than teaching women not to get drunk because they could be attacked

[arista]

She is Not on the Panel Today


Only done one day.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by arista

She is Not on the Panel Today


Only done one day.

They rotate panellists on LW tho

[arista]

Originally Posted by Monopoly

They rotate panellists on LW tho

Sure but she has done one day and hit Front Pages

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 weeks worth of good PR for LW

[Livia]

I'm not excusing rape... but if a young woman is so pissed she can't take care of herself then it should serve as a warning to other young women... because as far as I can see, young women are still getting pissed out of their minds with monotonous regularity, and so I think they must take a little of the responsibility when a woman incapacitated by alcohol, is raped. If you have an accident in a car when you're pissed, and you're seriously injured, your insurance will not pay out and you face all kinds of penalties and punishments. If you're raped while you're pissed, you're a victim.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not excusing rape... but if a young woman is so pissed she can't take care of herself then it should serve as a warning to other young women... because as far as I can see, young women are still getting pissed out of their minds with monotonous regularity, and so I think they must take a little of the responsibility when a woman incapacitated by alcohol, is raped. If you have an accident in a car when you're pissed, and you're seriously injured, your insurance will not pay out and you face all kinds of penalties and punishments. If you're raped while you're pissed, you're a victim.

Of course you're a victim if you're raped..... drunk or not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course you're a victim if you're raped..... drunk or not

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

Generally speaking one would think that a car is a little less liable to think "hang on, let's not rape and batter this girl" than a man should be...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Generally speaking one would think that a car is a little less liable to think "hang on, let's not rape and batter this girl" than a man should be...

I dunno man, I heard this Volvo saying some pretty dark **** the other night when I was walking home

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

Of course everyone man or woman should take responsibility for themselves, (men can be raped too), but what you are talking about is completely different thing. If someone is drunk and goes on to commit a crime that is their responsibility, driving while under the influence is a crime, if someone is drunk and another person takes advantage of the fact and commits a crime against the drunk person the drunk person has not committed a crime and should not be held responsible for the other persons actions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Of course everyone man or woman should take responsibility for themselves, (men can be raped too), but what you are talking about is completely different thing. If someone is drunk and goes on to commit a crime that is their responsibility, driving while under the influence is a crime, if someone is drunk and another person takes advantage of the fact and commits a crime against the drunk person the drunk person has not committed a crime and should not be held responsible for the other persons actions.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not excusing rape... but if a young woman is so pissed she can't take care of herself then it should serve as a warning to other young women... because as far as I can see, young women are still getting pissed out of their minds with monotonous regularity, and so I think they must take a little of the responsibility when a woman incapacitated by alcohol, is raped. If you have an accident in a car when you're pissed, and you're seriously injured, your insurance will not pay out and you face all kinds of penalties and punishments. If you're raped while you're pissed, you're a victim.

bull****/ if it was a young man who was raped while passed out by a gay man no one would be blaming the pissed lad. no one would be saying "well he shouldn't have gotten drunk with his mates, if you get pissed with your mates, you should expect this sort of thing"

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not excusing rape... but if a young woman is so pissed she can't take care of herself then it should serve as a warning to other young women... because as far as I can see, young women are still getting pissed out of their minds with monotonous regularity, and so I think they must take a little of the responsibility when a woman incapacitated by alcohol, is raped. If you have an accident in a car when you're pissed, and you're seriously injured, your insurance will not pay out and you face all kinds of penalties and punishments. If you're raped while you're pissed, you're a victim.

Hmm, someone who is drunk is a vulnerable person, similar to a child or an old or sick person. The fact that the vulnerability was self inflicted by getting drunk is irrelevant. The weak and vulnerable should be able to live without fear of being attacked, full stop. If someone takes advantage of a vulnerable person, whatever they do, there should be a corresponding punishment. Its crystal clear in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hmm, someone who is drunk is a vulnerable person, similar to a child or an old or sick person. The fact that the vulnerability was self inflicted by getting drunk is irrelevant. The weak and vulnerable should be able to live without fear of being attacked, full stop. If someone takes advantage of a vulnerable person, whatever they do, there should be a corresponding punishment. Its crystal clear in my opinion.

But in a similar vein, a responsible adult should know to take care of themselves and not leave themselves in such a vulnerable position.

The same way an adult would not leave a child in a vulnerable situation to be kidnapped. That's not to say it's their fault a kidnapper acts, but there are precautions to be taken to try and ensure danger does not strike. That's just common sense IMO.

Leaving yourself so drunk you're alone, vulnerable, have no control over your body or mind then you are leaving yourself open to a multitude of dangers not just rape.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did the girl involved not consent and then withdraw her consent the next morning?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Did the girl involved not consent and then withdraw her consent the next morning?

what you just said makes no sense, how could she not give consent and then withdraw consent that she never gave? or maybe you were just making a very clever post that points out the ridiculousness. either way, no is the answer to the question (no pun intended)

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what you just said makes no sense, how could she not give consent and then withdraw consent that she never gave? or maybe you were just making a very clever post that points out the ridiculousness. either way, no is the answer to the question (no pun intended)

Not the same as USA Laws


and this Rapist Football is debuted on every UK media this week

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Did the girl involved not consent and then withdraw her consent the next morning?

If that was the case then the footballer would not have been found guilty, consent is consent, drunk or not

[MTVN]

This was a strange case because Evans friend went back with this girl, text Evans about it and so he followed to the hotel room and had sex with her after his friend did. The woman woke up with no recollection and accused both men of rape, but Evans was found guilty and his friend wasn't which seemed like a strange verdict.