[elliebrew]

The person I see in the house is absolutelly NOT the person people are talking about.

Maybe that's what everybody needs: an open mind and an open heart. I see in her a person who must have struggled in her life because of people's opinions about her and created a character who is insensitive and awful.

But if you give her some understanding and acceptance, she will show her true self, a kind and funny and yet a little grumpy person. But a lovely one. That's exactly how Michelle is treating her and I couldn't be more proud of her for not following the sheep and hating Hopkins.

[MB.]

I think we got the message from your past 2,000 threads about Katie and Michelle.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by MB.

I think we got the message from your past 2,000 threads about Katie and Michelle.

what like everyone else 5000 messages in favour king of the idiots Perez.

What like the countless cries of 'bully'

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MB.

I think we got the message from your past 2,000 threads about Katie and Michelle.

Why does it matter to you? ah yes cos you don't like her,maybe you should be championing your fave instead of trying to stop people making threads,keep them coming elliebrew.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why does it matter to you? ah yes cos you don't like her,maybe you should be championing your fave instead of trying to stop people making threads,keep them coming elliebrew.

I'd say something about it whoever the threads were being made about (actually, you should probably see the part of my sig where Michelle is in my favourites). Creating threads about how Katie is a saint and anyone who dislikes her is a troll, how dare they not agree with me, over and over... that's not constructive. One or two threads on the subject, fine, but making similar ones over and over strikes me as nothing but trying to get a reaction.

[armand.kay]

Don't mind him hun keep on preaching the truth.

[Black Dagger]

Stop trying to make Hopkins sound pleasant. It's never going to happen

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

Stop trying to make Hopkins sound pleasant. It's never going to happen

x2

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

Stop trying to make Hopkins sound pleasant. It's never going to happen

It already has, many love her along with myself. For the record Michelle is also brilliant my top three would be:

KATIE H. MICHELLE and CALUM: I doubt whether it will happen though as Perez is possibly going to be there along with Nadia.

[Lostie!]

I don't care if her awful comments are part of a character (nor do I believe that, actually). That doesn't make what she says any better. Using that logic, it would be justifiable for me to run into a seriously ill patient's hospital room and mock their plight if I ended it with "not really, I'm just playing a character". I'm pretty sure it would be hurtful and wildly offensive regardless.

Of course, the "it's just a persona" thing is just one excuse used to justify her words, "she tells it like it is" and "she's just joking" being others.

It's also quite tiring to see some of her fans continuously blame others for judging her for comments she chooses to make. Sorry, but she alone bears the responsibility for any hurt she causes, her "I don't give offence, you take it" line is crap and a weak way to absolve herself of any responsibility for her own actions.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I don't care if her awful comments are part of a character (nor do I believe that, actually). That doesn't make what she says any better. Using that logic, it would be justifiable for me to run into a seriously ill patient's hospital room and mock their plight if I ended it with "not really, I'm just playing a character". I'm pretty sure it would be hurtful and wildly offensive regardless.

Of course, the "it's just a persona" thing is just one excuse used to justify her words, "she tells it like it is" and "she's just joking" being others.

It's also quite tiring to see some of her fans continuously blame others for judging her for comments she chooses to make. Sorry, but she alone bears the responsibility for any hurt she causes, her "I don't give offence, you take it" line is crap and a weak way to absolve herself of any responsibility for her own actions.

When did words begin to hurt and offend so much

When did we lose the ability to just shrug it off.

When did we start using offence as a weapon to destroy someones life and reputation.

Joan Rivers was an advocate for keeping humour raw, offensive, provocative.

If people stopped taking her so bloody seriously they'd see the brilliant character she is

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

When did words begin to hurt and offend so much

When did we lose the ability to just shrug it off.

When did we start using offence as a weapon to destroy someones life and reputation.

Joan Rivers was an advocate for keeping humour raw, offensive, provocative.

If people stopped taking her so bloody seriously they'd see the brilliant character she is

And there's a perfect example of what I was talking about in regards to blaming those who get offended, rather than the person causing the offence in the first place.

I don't recall ever attempting to destroy her life or reputation (the latter of which she's never had a positive one to destroy in the first place). I'm merely forming judgements on the things she says in public, which is entirely fair.

And people shouldn't have to shrug everything off, if somebody is angered or offended by something, they have every right to feel that way. They're not suddenly in the wrong for reacting to something offensive that someone chose to say publicly.

Also, and I'm genuinely curious about this, why is it just Katie's comments we should shrug off? Where is the "shrug it off" attitude towards Perez, for example? Why don't you "shrug off" any negativity towards Michelle instead of making several threads blasting anyone who doesn't like her? I'm not making a dig, I'm honestly wondering where the distinction begins.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And there's a perfect example of what I was talking about in regards to blaming those who get offended, rather than the person causing the offence in the first place.

I don't recall ever attempting to destroy her life or reputation (the latter of which she's never had a positive one to destroy in the first place). I'm merely forming judgements on the things she says in public, which is entirely fair.

And people shouldn't have to shrug everything off, if somebody is angered or offended by something, they have every right to feel that way. They're not suddenly in the wrong for reacting to something offensive that someone chose to say publicly.

I find it completely baffling that you're so passionately offended by someone on a reality tv show.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

I find it completely baffling that you're so passionately offended by someone on a reality tv show.

I find it completely baffling that you're so offended by people sharing differing opinions on a discussion forum.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And there's a perfect example of what I was talking about in regards to blaming those who get offended, rather than the person causing the offence in the first place.

I don't recall ever attempting to destroy her life or reputation (the latter of which she's never had a positive one to destroy in the first place). I'm merely forming judgements on the things she says in public, which is entirely fair.

And people shouldn't have to shrug everything off, if somebody is angered or offended by something, they have every right to feel that way. They're not suddenly in the wrong for reacting to something offensive that someone chose to say publicly.

Also, and I'm genuinely curious about this, why is it just Katie's comments we should shrug off? Where is the "shrug it off" attitude towards Perez, for example? Why don't you "shrug off" any negativity towards Michelle instead of making several threads blasting anyone who doesn't like her? I'm not making a dig, I'm honestly wondering where the distinction begins.

Perez has accused people in the house of really serious things. Unfounded and without basis.

He has taunted and feared and mad everyone in there feel bad. He has brought the atmosphere of the house down

EVERY SINGLE HOUSEMATE SAYS IT.

Any negativity from the forum towards Katie is based on preconceptions of her before she went in. Any negativity thrown at Michelle is because she dares to not follow the sheep and actually befriend Hopkins.

And i find irritating and intolerable that people through words around about them like, 'vile' and 'witch' etc

Its boils my piss because Michelle is a really really decent human being and I'm getting the feeling all the Perez support is FMs wanting to be anarchic and go against the grain.

It feels like trolling to me

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Perez has accused people in the house of really serious things. Unfounded and without basis.

He has taunted and feared and mad everyone in there feel bad. He has brought the atmosphere of the house down

EVERY SINGLE HOUSEMATE SAYS IT.

Any negativity from the forum towards Katie is based on preconceptions of her before she went in. Any negativity thrown at Michelle is because she dares to not follow the sheep and actually befriend Hopkins.

And i find irritating and intolerable that people through words around about them like, 'vile' and 'witch' etc

Its boils my piss because Michelle is a really really decent human being and I'm getting the feeling all the Perez support is FMs wanting to be anarchic and go against the grain.

It feels like trolling to me

Nope, my disappointment with Michelle is based on her own actions, which I've gone into detail with more than once. I've no desire to go over the same stuff yet again, especially with someone who I know read my thread on the subject and continues to ignore peoples' opinions to form their own narrative of why people feel a certain way.

And yes, I have a bad impression of Hopkins because of the things she said before CBB. So what? Once again, if you make public comments like that, it's fair to be judged on them. Though, if you're suggesting that she's done nothing in the house to cause people to dislike her, you're wrong on that count too with me. Along with that, though, I've seen things I've quite liked from her too (how her relationship with Alicia seemed to become more affectionate by the end, mainly), but that doesn't erase the things I don't like.

And regardless of your opinion on Perez and those who support him, surely your "shrug it off" attitude should stand for all housemates and not just Hopkins?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

And there's a perfect example of what I was talking about in regards to blaming those who get offended, rather than the person causing the offence in the first place.

I don't recall ever attempting to destroy her life or reputation (the latter of which she's never had a positive one to destroy in the first place). I'm merely forming judgements on the things she says in public, which is entirely fair.

And people shouldn't have to shrug everything off, if somebody is angered or offended by something, they have every right to feel that way. They're not suddenly in the wrong for reacting to something offensive that someone chose to say publicly.

Also, and I'm genuinely curious about this, why is it just Katie's comments we should shrug off? Where is the "shrug it off" attitude towards Perez, for example? Why don't you "shrug off" any negativity towards Michelle instead of making several threads blasting anyone who doesn't like her? I'm not making a dig, I'm honestly wondering where the distinction begins.

This^

When the op talks about sheep, does she realize that it takes more than two sheep to make a flock!

[the truth]

shes a vile bully, who should have been booted out last week. joan rivers could be very funny, perez is funny, bully Hopkins isn't shes just a horrible bigot

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes a vile bully, who should have been booted out last week. joan rivers could be very funny, perez is funny, bully Hopkins isn't shes just a horrible bigot

Perez has not made one humorous quip, one intelligent, witty remark.

You find juvenile grinding against a window and pulling tongues funny?

Wow that immature

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Perez has not made one humorous quip, one intelligent, witty remark.

You find juvenile grinding against a window and pulling tongues funny?

Wow that immature

That's the thing about opinions

Just some of us don't choose to make 100'000 threads on them

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LuciaX

That's the thing about opinions

Just some of us don't choose to make 100'000 threads on them

At the end of the day though, this is a forum, threads are meant to be made

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Dollface

At the end of the day though, this is a forum, threads are meant to be made

Yes I take your point you're completely right.

I'm just finding it annoying but I should probably just take it with a pinch of salt

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LuciaX

That's the thing about opinions

Just some of us don't choose to make 100'000 threads on them

Must kill people to know she's liked as they are in every thread about her

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Must kill people to know she's liked as they are in every thread about her

It is funny, and so frustrating sometimes What a day it will be when the forum all supports 1 housemate ... isnt she/he great ... yep ... end of discussion

[Daniel-X]

Katie Hopkins? An open heart? Okay...

Think you're slightly obsessed with Michelle and Katie they could stab everyone in the house to death and you'd still try and tell us they were nice people