[Niamh.]

Thoughts?


POPE FRANCIS HAS said it’s okay for parents to smack their children, once their dignity in maintained.
According to widespread reports this morning, the Pope made the remarks during his weekly general audience.
Speaking about the role of fathers in the family, he said a good father should be able to “correct with firmness”.
“One time, I heard a father in a meeting with married couples say ‘I sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as to not humiliate them’,” Francis said, according to the Guardian.
“How beautiful.” the Pope added.



He knows the sense of dignity! He has to punish them but does it justly and moves on.
A representative of the Vatican press office said the Pope wasn’t speaking about committing violence, but about helping children to grow and mature.
Child protection
Meanwhile, Pope Francis warned clergy yesterday they must never try to cover up sexual abuse, as a new Church child protection panel prepared to meet for the first time.
In a strongly-worded letter to the heads of national bishops’ conferences and religious orders, he demanded “close and complete” cooperation with the watchdog he has established at the Vatican.
“Families need to know that the Church is making every effort to protect their children,” he said.
The Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, which will hold its first full meeting today, has been given a brief to drive reform on an issue that has severely damaged the Church’s authority and reputation around the world.
Headed by American cardinal Sean O’Malley, it includes clerics and lay people from all corners of the world, including two victims of paedophile priests, Peter Sanders from Britain and Ireland’s Marie Collins.

http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-smacking-1923421-Feb2015/

[arista]

Yes Madame
The Pope backs you

[Crimson Dynamo]

irrelevant old fool

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

irrelevant old fool

This line



“One time, I heard a father in a meeting with married couples say ‘I sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as to not humiliate them’,” Francis said, according to the Guardian.
“How beautiful.” the Pope added.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This line



“One time, I heard a father in a meeting with married couples say ‘I sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as to not humiliate them’,” Francis said, according to the Guardian.
“How beautiful.” the Pope added.

well he said last month that if someone insults your mother you should punch them


"oh this new pope is so refreshing and modern.."

this old fool lies for a living and gets paid to do so

[Crimson Dynamo]

How he got the gig of Boss of Ireland I will never know

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How he got the gig of Boss of Ireland I will never know

Not so much anymore

[Creggle]

Can only agree tbh, look how children turn out when they don't get a slapped arse, it's never good.

I'd punch someone if they insulted my mother too, so this old geeza is bang on if you ask me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Can only agree tbh, look how children turn out when they don't get a slapped arse, it's never good.

I'd punch someone if they insulted my mother too, so this old geeza is bang on if you ask me

How would you know how a child who was not "hit" turned out?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How would you know how a child who was not "hit" turned out?

I have 43,504 children

But seriously you can pretty accurately tell which children are disciplined and which aren't in public, a misbehaving little brat has a PC parent.

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by Creggle

But seriously you can pretty accurately tell which children are disciplined and which aren't in public, a misbehaving little brat has a PC parent.

I've found the opposite. On the most part I've found kids that are slapped aren't at all that disciplined. In *most* cases a child that is constantly hit as a discipline grows up thinking it is right to hit someone if they do something wrong, or they grow up mentally scarred or shy.

There are different ways to parenting and just because you don't hit your child does not mean you're being 'PC'. I know loads of parents who have never layed a finger on their kids, and those kids have turned out the be the most kind, loving and friendly people I've ever seen.

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These days you can easily bring up a child without resorting to hitting them. As long as they are taught manners, politeness, kindness, respect and gratefulness from a young age they shouldn't misbehave to the point that you need to inflict anything physical upon them. =

I find a light tap OK (although even I wouldn't do that). Anything more violent than that is just uncalled and unneeded for to be honest.

I don't have kids so maybe I'm silly to share my own opinions on this, but personally I would never hit a child and if I did I would not go to the extremes that seem common with a small minority of parents. There are very easy ways to discipline a child when they misbehave without hitting them.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

In *most* cases a child that is constantly hit as a discipline grows up thinking it is right to hit someone if they do something wrong, or they grow up mentally scarred or shy.

You have evidence to back that up?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

I've found the opposite. On the most part I've found kids that are slapped aren't at all that disciplined. In *most* cases a child that is constantly hit as a discipline grows up thinking it is right to hit someone if they do something wrong, or they grow up mentally scarred or shy.

There are different ways to parenting and just because you don't hit your child does not mean you're being 'PC'. I know loads of parents who have never layed a finger on their kids, and those kids have turned out the be the most kind, loving and friendly people I've ever seen.

-

These days you can easily bring up a child without resorting to hitting them. As long as they are taught manners, politeness, kindness, respect and gratefulness from a young age they shouldn't misbehave to the point that you need to inflict anything physical upon them. =

I find a light tap OK (although even I wouldn't do that). Anything more violent than that is just uncalled and unneeded for to be honest.

I don't have kids so maybe I'm silly to share my own opinions on this, but personally I would never hit a child and if I did I would not go to the extremes that seem common with a small minority of parents. There are very easy ways to discipline a child when they misbehave without hitting them.

You don't have to have children to have an opinion. Having children doesn't give you an automatic right to talk about things like this, just as bring a parent doesn't make you all knowing. My mum told me when I had my son that there's no book on bringing up kids, it just trial and error...boy was she right. It's hard work but I don't hit....it just condones hitting and violent behaviour but I was slapped, not often and I don't bear ill will to my parents

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Can only agree tbh, look how children turn out when they don't get a slapped arse, it's never good.

I'd punch someone if they insulted my mother too, so this old geeza is bang on if you ask me

Excuse me I have two children who are very well behaved and I have never laid a finger on them

Do you think those children who turn out nasty are like that because they're not hit? And how do you know they're not? They could be the ones who do get hit

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Excuse me I have two children who are very well behaved and I have never laid a finger on them

Do you think those children who turn out nasty are like that because they're not hit? And how do you know they're not? They could be the ones who do get hit

Then you're a good mother, some parents don't know wtf they are doing and don't do anything and their kids turn out horrible.

Yes some children who act up may be punished, but ones who abuse their parents and throw strops certainly aren't. If their parents are not good enough to discipline them 'peacefully' then there isn't much of a choice of what they can do to make their kid behave. I certainly think making 'smacking' illegal is ridiculous, it's not like parents would kick the shit out of their kid if they could, just need a little discipline. Legit abusive parents will hurt their children law or no law.

Originally Posted by Tom!

but sticky mouse traps are bad?

I don't punch hard enough to make somebody tear themselves to pieces and cause their insides to fall out.

What world do you live in to compare punching somebody to killing an animal, kid?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Then you're a good mother, some parents don't know wtf they are doing and don't do anything and their kids turn out horrible.

Yes some children who act up may be punished, but ones who abuse their parents and throw strops certainly aren't. If their parents are not good enough to discipline them 'peacefully' then there isn't much of a choice of what they can do to make their kid behave. I certainly think making 'smacking' illegal is ridiculous, it's not like parents would kick the shit out of their kid if they could, just need a little discipline. Legit abusive parents will hurt their children law or no law.



I don't punch hard enough to make somebody tear themselves to pieces and cause their insides to fall out.

What world do you live in to compare punching somebody to killing an animal, kid?

So it's ok for bad parents to hit their kids because they're not good enough to discipline their kids any other way?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So it's ok for bad parents to hit their kids because they're not good enough to discipline their kids any other way?

Sticky subject really, there is no good answer to it, but for the benefit of the child then maybe. It is speculation as I don't have a kid, if I did then maybe my opinion would be different but I can't for the life of me see how a light slap on the leg would mess a kid's life up?

[T*]

Originally Posted by Creggle

I don't punch hard enough to make somebody tear themselves to pieces and cause their insides to fall out.

What world do you live in to compare punching somebody to killing an animal, kid?

Both inflict pain..
Who do you think you are calling me kid?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Tom!

Both inflict pain..
Who do you think you are calling me kid?

There is no comparison there, being punched is nothing.
Also, you are a kid? It was not an insult, I'm sure I have referred to you as 'kid' before and you took no offense.

Though I take offense at the comparison you made, people eh...

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what if it was his kid that insulted his mother?

I'd shoot it

[T*]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Can only agree tbh, look how children turn out when they don't get a slapped arse, it's never good.

I'd punch someone if they insulted my mother too, so this old geeza is bang on if you ask me

but sticky mouse traps are bad?

[Braden]

I don't think it's ever okay to smack your child.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Braden

I don't think it's ever okay to smack your child.

if theyre about to electrocute themselves by jumping in a bath with an electrical aplliance nearby....if theyre about to put their hands in the fire if theyre about to stab their sister with a knife....if theyre about to walk through glass etc etcetc etc

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

if theyre about to electrocute themselves by jumping in a bath with an electrical aplliance nearby....if theyre about to put their hands in the fire if theyre about to stab their sister with a knife....if theyre about to walk through glass etc etcetc etc

yes what about all of these instances where a warning is necessary but to then hit them..?

An adult can make a warning sufficiently serious as to make it memorable.

[Mokka]

It's great,

all I have to do is threaten the kids to convert to Catholicism now to keep them in line

[Jake.]

does he think he is the Katie Hopkins of the Catholic world or