[Shaun]

Buckingham Palace has said it is disappointed that footage from 1933 showing the Queen performing a Nazi salute has been released.

The Sun has published the film which shows the Queen aged about seven, with her mother, sister and uncle.

The palace said it was "disappointing that film, shot eight decades ago... has been obtained and exploited."

The newspaper has refused to say how it got the footage but said it was an "important and interesting story".

The black and white footage, which lasts about 17 seconds, shows the Queen playing with a dog on the lawn in the gardens of Balmoral, the Sun says.

The Queen Mother then raises her arm in the style of a Nazi salute and, after glancing towards her mother, the Queen mimics the gesture. Prince Edward, the future Edward VIII, is also seen raising his arm.

The footage is thought to have been shot in 1933 or 1934, when Hitler was rising to prominence as Fuhrer in Germany but the circumstances in which it was shot are unclear.

A Palace source said: "Most people will see these pictures in their proper context and time. This is a family playing and momentarily referencing a gesture many would have seen from contemporary news reels.

"No one at that time had any sense how it would evolve. To imply anything else is misleading and dishonest."

The source added: "The Queen and her family's service and dedication to the welfare of this nation during the war, and the 63 years the Queen has spent building relations between nations and peoples speaks for itself."

BBC Royal correspondent Sarah Campbell said Buckingham Palace was not denying the footage was authentic but that there were "questions over how this video has been released".

Dickie Arbiter, a former Buckingham Palace press secretary said the Palace would be investigating.

"They'll be wondering whether it was in fact something that was held in the Royal Archives at Windsor, or whether it was being held by the, Duke of Windsor's estate," he said.

"And if it was the Duke of Windsor's estate, then somebody has clearly taken it from the estate and here it is, 82 years later.

"But a lot of questions have got to be asked and a lot of questions got to be answered."

Sun managing editor Stig Abell said he did not accept Buckingham Palace's accusation that the footage has been "exploited".

He said the newspaper had decided to publish the story because it was of great public importance and the involvement of Prince Edward gave it "historical significance".

The then Prince of Wales faced numerous accusations of being a Nazi sympathiser and was photographed meeting Hitler in Munich in October 1937.

Mr Abell said: "We are not using it to suggest any impropriety on behalf of them. But it is an important and interesting issue, the extent to which the British aristocracy - notably Edward VIII, in this case - in the 1930s, were sympathetic towards fascism.

"That must be a matter of national and public interest to discuss. And I think this video and this footage animates that very clearly."

The Queen was 13 when World War Two broke out and she later served in the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service.

In June she made her first state visit to Germany where she visited the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp and met some of the survivors and liberators.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33578174

What do you all make of this, then?

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf she was only a kid then.

I'm more disgusted in Edward VIII and The Queen Mother tbh.

It really makes me angry when some people in this country attack us for our most greatest and most moral moment in history, our Royalty at the time shouldn't have been against us either the backward fools.

[Jack_]

Is it too much to hope that she's arrested like that man was the other day?

That and The Sun to be closed down for more invasions of privacy that are brushed off as ~investigative journalism~?

Having said that, they do have killer headlines

[arista]

Back in 1933
the Nazi Party was not fully understood, in England
So its just a bit bit of Fun.


[newspaper had decided to publish the story because it was of great public
importance and the involvement of Prince Edward gave it "historical significance".]

[Crimson Dynamo]

i would imagine every kid in the 30s did this and most adults as a bit of a lark

[Toy Soldier]

To play devil's avocado, this was taken before the holocaust so they didn't actually know just how extreme the Nazis were going to get.

On the other hand - let me just put it this way - had Germany conquered the UK and eventually the world, the Royals would have been just fine. Not saying they supported them or would have wanted it, just that they would have fared OK.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To play devil's avocado, this was taken before the holocaust so they didn't actually know just how extreme the Nazis were going to get.

On the other hand - let me just put it this way - had Germany conquered the UK and eventually the world, the Royals would have been just fine. Not saying they supported them or would have wanted it, just that they would have fared OK.

Yes The Main point to this TS

[Ninastar]

its 1933 and she was like 5

the sun are just trying to make up stories and people will make all kinds of ridiculous theories to go with it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Chaos

its 1933 and she was like 5

the sun are just trying to make up stories and people will make all kinds of ridiculous theories to go with it

Make up theories? No one needs to make up theories! Seriously, has history been THIS effectively whitewashed? The Windsors had very real and very well documented support - including financial support - for the German Nazi party in the late 1920's and early 1930's, and in fact right up until the point that it became clear that Hitler's goals included expanding West across Europe and eventually to the US. Price Philip had family members who were high ranking Nazi officers throughout the war, ffs.

[joeysteele]

Next time the Sun plays the crawling patriotic Royal card,I hope people remember this.

This was in 1933 even before Hitler was elected to power and probably no one expected in any way the real horrors that even could just possibly come from that madman who was obsessed with dominance and power.

Had it been a later film then fair enough.
Just the Sun being the rotten stinking rag it has always been and how nice it would be one day be to read the headlines in other press that this stench as to any form of decent journalism had been put out of business.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Next time the Sun plays the crawling patriotic Royal card,I hope people remember this.

This was in 1933 even before Hitler was elected to power and probably no one expected in any way the real horrors that even could just possibly come from that madman who was obsessed with dominance and power.

Had it been a later film then fair enough.
Just the Sun being the rotten stinking rag it has always been and how nice it would be one day be to read the headlines in other press that this stench as to any form of decent journalism had been put out of business.

I of course agree with most of this Joey, the Sun's hypocrisy is staggering and I have no doubt they will be drooling over poor old Kate Middleton again within a matter of weeks, however, I would genuinely recommend looking into the history of the Windsors and Philip's extended family in regards to Hitler and the Nazi party.

Go in unbiased and look for the things that royal historians have gone to HUGE lengths to ensure are largely forgotten. They did not really turn their back on Hitler until his plans to move Westwards became evident, they were rubbing shoulders with him right up until that point - and his ideals of genetic supremacy were evident long before that point.

In Philips side the links are much deeper.

[arista]

"Sun being the"

No Joey
I noticed more younger women Buying the Sun this morning.



Its Educational
Its a Fact
and
Its on FoxNewsHD , Iran News, CBS News , MSNBC News



Its Our Sun
Embrace It

[Jøsh]

Originally Posted by arista

"Sun being the"

No Joey
I noticed more younger women Buying the Sun this morning.



Its Educational
Its a Fact
and
Its on FoxNewsHD , Iran News, CBS News , MSNBC News



Its Our Sun
Embrace It

1. We are not all American,we can't shop at AsdaWalmart
2. We dont have HD.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jøsh

1. We are not all American,we can't shop at AsdaWalmart
2. We dont have HD.

Thats OK Josh


I am Not American
but I watch their Live news

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Sun being the"

No Joey
I noticed more younger women Buying the Sun this morning.



Its Educational
Its a Fact
and
Its on FoxNewsHD , Iran News, CBS News , MSNBC News



Its Our Sun
Embrace It

I know of at least 12 people who buy the Sun on a Saturday arista, who take it home, take out the TV mag section and the Sun is then left unread and goes into the re-cycling bin.
The re-cycling bin,in fact,being the only decent thing about it too.

It will never be my Sun, I wouldn't even touch it, let alone buy it or read it.

[waterhog]

this is out of context with to much spin - but hey - its a free press ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its typical royal hating murdoch crap

what actual point do they want to make?

and to upset an 89 year old woman by dragging her dead mum is despicable

[arista]

Its Great History
when Hitler was viewed as a Top Leader
before he started Gassing Jews in shower rooms
they thought it was a clean out zone
then Evil Gas Killed them.
His Master Plan



Happy Early days for Evil Hitler

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Great History
when Hitler was viewed as a Top Leader
before he started Gassing Jews in shower rooms
they thought it was a clean out zone
then Evil Gas Killed them.
His Master Plan



Happy Early days for Evil Hitler

You know, if he hadn't been an increasingly unstable genetic supremacist and gotten himself sidetracked with all of that genocide business, I seriously doubt the allied forces would have stopped Germany.

[arista]

No TS
you can not trust Nazi Written Statements

[Ninastar]

plot twist, the queen is actually hitler and she was also behind 9/11

[Crimson Dynamo]

You also have to understand how people consumed news media back then. days late, inaccurate and biased

no tv, no internet. just radio and papers

[Crimson Dynamo]

You also have to understand how people consumed news media back then. days late, inaccurate and biased

no tv, no internet. just radio and papers

[arista]

[The former King of England,
Edward VIII with American Wallis Simpson,
for whom he abdicated in 1936,
less than a year after becoming King]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3gEyKXjwq

[Pete.]

The Queen was just innocently copying her mother and uncle because she would know no different at what 6? As for the older members of the royal family who should have known better...