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14-09-2015, 06:34 PM | #1 | |||
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A Strangeways prisoner who scaled a fence while stripped to just his underwear is into the second day of his apparent protest.
The prisoner, now known to be Stuart Horner, a convicted murderer who is serving 27 years inside for killing his uncle, has been on the roof since around 2pm on Sunday. He shouted things to reporters and photographers throughout the night and members of the public gathered outside. He also wrote a note his t-shirt saying: "It's not 1990 tell the Gov we've all had enough. Sort the whole system" Police and prison riot officers have been keeping a watchful eye, as he clambers across roofs inside the Strangeways compound, causing damage along the way. This morning Horner continued to shout and smash glass panes across the roofs, and claimed he would stay up there for '40 days and nights'. Must be cold..... tiddler on the roof http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....oftop-10047129
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14-09-2015, 06:39 PM | #2 | |||
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Oh dear......
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14-09-2015, 06:46 PM | #3 | |||
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He's right it isn't 1990 these tories don't give a toss, they'll send katie hopkins in with a rifle.
Dave wants to privatise the prisons so it won't get any better, they'll go the same way as the NHS run down until put into 'special measures'.
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14-09-2015, 07:19 PM | #4 | |||
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What is he protesting?
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14-09-2015, 07:22 PM | #5 | |||
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At least he can protest unlike his uncle
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15-09-2015, 10:37 AM | #6 | |||
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14-09-2015, 08:12 PM | #7 | |||
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Bill Gould, aged 32, said he had been in and out of nearly every jail in the country, but Strangeways was one of the worst. ‘The prison should have been burned down years ago. It is a barbaric regime ruled by brutality and drug abuse.’ He shouted at the protesters to hold out. ‘You’ll be battered and then banged for a long time when you come down. They did it to me when I was involved in a riot situation.’ He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times and was not condemning all prison staff, only those who used drugs as a ‘liquid cosh because it was the only way for them to keep control.’ David Waddington, the Home Secretary, has agreed to meet leaders of the Prison Officers’ Association on Wednesday to hear their complaints about understaffing. ' http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...c-archive-1990 Now... The M.E.N. can reveal the catalogue of violence that has erupted in Strangeways over the last month as the jail reaches ‘boiling point’. The prison has been simmering for several months due to an alleged staffing crisis and prisoners spending up to 23 hours locked up resulting in a spate of incidents. In the last five weeks six staff and 23 prisoners have been assaulted and in the same period there have been 19 incidents of self harm. A spokesman for the Prison Officers Association said the situation had reached ‘boiling point’. The POA spokesman added: “Nationally the level of serious violence across the prison estate has risen dramatically. Serious assaults on staff are up 48 per cent in the last year according to the latest data from NOMS. Within the High Security Estate, Manchester is a cause for most concern as the pressure to deliver more with less staff hits home. “The year on year budget cuts and staff shortfalls across the prison estate are the main underlying cause to the increase in violence, low staff morale and prisoner unrest. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....dents-10051582
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15-09-2015, 08:09 AM | #8 | |||
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As Cherie said;
"At least he can protest unlike his uncle". One well trained sniper would solve this situation, prevent more expensive damage being caused, and save the tax-payer a lot of money in keeping this murderer in luxury for years to come. Where's the problem? |
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15-09-2015, 08:13 AM | #9 | |||
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"He said he had been inside the Manchester jail five times" And we are here CRITICISING THE PRISONS? Strangeways is so barbaric, in human and intolerable, that this imbecilic waste of air has voluntarily been inside it 5 TIMES. Do me a favour. |
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15-09-2015, 08:24 AM | #10 | |||
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15-09-2015, 08:27 AM | #11 | |||
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15-09-2015, 08:21 AM | #12 | |||
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The problem is with the prison system and public services in general, that's the wider debate here if you shot him then would everything in the prison be hunky dory?
I'm going to be branded a 'bleeding heart' again I know but if you widen your perspective then it's easy to see that improving conditions in prisons is of the greatest benefit. I'm not saying have them in luxury by any means, my worry is for the staff... it's a pressure cooker and with assaults up 48% it proves the draconian measures aren't working.
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15-09-2015, 08:35 AM | #13 | |||
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The untenable position within prisons has but one cause - weakness. When discipline went out of the window 40 years or so ago, prisons quickly became a joke. My heart is breaking. |
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15-09-2015, 08:35 AM | #14 | |||
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The point Kirk is making is that 5 times the man had the opportunity to turn his life around and not end up back in the "hell hole" If it really was so so bad, he would have made sure he didn't end up back there
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15-09-2015, 08:36 AM | #15 | |||
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15-09-2015, 08:44 AM | #16 | |||
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Yes it's a hotel that's why there are so many staff at risk :/
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15-09-2015, 08:52 AM | #17 | |||
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Among many other examples of 'Prisoner Appeasement', Prison Officers in MANY prisons are now officially told to turn a 'blind eye' to drug dealing and usage so as not to 'endanger' the stability of the prison.
No prisoners are in jail for 'keeping to the rules' and 'respecting' them, so how do we expect the very worst of them to abide by prison rules without discipline, deterrent, and punishment? Appeasement and weakness DO NOT WORK. The 'bad guys' will always want more. Will always capitalise on weakness. This is true in EVERY walk of life. |
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15-09-2015, 08:59 AM | #18 | |||
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15-09-2015, 09:15 AM | #19 | |||
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My primary sources are two Prison Officer friends and my brother who worked as a Senior Prison Officer for over 20 years at jails such as Armley and Wakefield and a book called 'Drugs In Prison' by Steve Gravett.
However, the internet is full of it: www.rt.com/uk/235759-serco-corruption-allegations-drugs/ http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/prisoner-ha...nd-eye-1517658 http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...zero-tolerance http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31625243 Last edited by kirklancaster; 15-09-2015 at 09:16 AM. |
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15-09-2015, 09:44 AM | #20 | |||
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The last isn't a prison either but a privately run centre. Non of the links address staffing issues which appear to be at the crux of the protest.
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15-09-2015, 10:54 AM | #21 | |||
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Hope we are in for a cold spell, freeze the beggar then we taxpayers won't have to pay for his upkeep.
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15-09-2015, 11:23 AM | #22 | ||
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This is kind of embarrassing.I thought the police would have learned how to deal with these situations by now.They've had plenty of practice in the past.It's only one man ffs.
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15-09-2015, 11:27 AM | #23 | |||
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Boris could blast him off with a water cannon, that's what 'civilised' people do isn't it?
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15-09-2015, 11:28 AM | #24 | |||
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Ugh drown the ****, it's not the "gov"'s fault he murdered his uncle.
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15-09-2015, 11:54 AM | #25 | |||
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I have no time or sympathy for anyone who has taken a life especially cruel and premeditated murder ,and scum like this ,who didn't learn any lessons the first time should imo be left to rot , in shackles,on a bed of straw, with bread and water. I am still pissed at the money spent on the two scumbags who murdered James Bulger,we are far too soft,let that guy on that roof stay there and ignore him, but we wont,we'll be trying to beg him to get back inside and listen to his gripes.
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