[Liberty4eva]

Late at night as you are preparing for bed you get a phone call from Prime Minister David Cameron informing you that Parliament is in a heated debate and can't decide on how many Syrian refugees to allow in. And, in a break with tradition, they have decided to give dictatorial power to a random citizen on this issue. The members produced a phone book and Cameron closed his eyes and randomly picked your number. He is asking you how many Syrians should be let in to the UK and that the number you give will be binding. You tell him?

[Smithy]

12 for our first ever Hunger Games, the winner gets to live in luxury for the rest of their life

[Denver]

0

[Nicky91]

0

[Kazanne]

None(except in exceptional circumstances)

[bots]

42.5 million

[Crimson Dynamo]

none. Lets work on this country dave.

[joeysteele]

I would suggest for genuine refugees,that whatever the estimated number of them are,that they are divided by 28 as to the EU countries and we take our share of the divided numbers,whatever it may be.

Until it is safe in the future for them to return to their homeland.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would suggest for genuine refugees,that whatever the estimated number of them are,that they are divided by 28 as to the EU countries and we take our share of the divided numbers,whatever it may be.

Until it is safe in the future for them to return to their homeland.

Agree with that, they should then be divided proportionately around the country not crammed into some areas while others have none, who knows we or our children or our children's children might be refugees one day

[_Tom_]

Nada.

[smudgie]

None.
I would tell him that the 28 EU countries need to sort out funding and help to give people safe refuge inside their own countries, now and in any future troubles.
Should be made a worldwide law.

[billy123]

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?


If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?


If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

Put your own before others end of

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Put your own before others end of

Your own what?...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Your own what?...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.

Nobody suggested that Adam where did you get that idea from?
Unfortunately these people running for their lives have a lot to do with "us" The UK helped destroy their homes and murder their familys.
Do you know why they had their homes destroyed by our army? Please tell me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So your suggesting we forget about the Brits in need and help people that have **** all to do with us? I'm sorry but British citizens have the right to be put first and under the current leader it isn't happening.

I didn't suggest that Adam.

[bots]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?


If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire country

[billy123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire country

The contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction?

[bots]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction?

It was a metaphoric use of snapshot. I was just playing devils advocate to your rather bullish statements.

Of course we should take our share of those vulnerable that are fleeing war, but there has to be common sense built in to the equation to. It's not a black and white answer and its impossible to put a figure to the numbers we should take

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bob, not the Socialist Worker line again?

[Livia]

Whatever the number of refugees we take, they should come to us through the UN camps, and not via Calais. This way we've got more chance of getting genuine refugees, families, children... rather than IS infiltrators and economic migrants.

As far as the UK being "responsible" for the war, I think you'll fine that Assad was the one with the chemical weapons, the one opening fire on his own citizens... and furthermore, Saudi Arabia is as involved as anyone and how many refugees have they taken? Zero.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever the number of refugees we take, they should come to us through the UN camps, and not via Calais. This way we've got more chance of getting genuine refugees, families, children... rather than IS infiltrators and economic migrants..

I agree with this if you are fleeing war and persecution Calais should not be where you end up terrorising lorry drivers who can no longer refuel at the port because of attacks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian...ow-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

Originally Posted by Livia

I have never seen one single person on this forum intimate that Muslims don't count.

Fact.

Is this the TIBB homage to Rafa

[Kizzy]

We are trying to find a peaceful solution, yet anyone who attempts to have a diplomatic discussion with terrorist organisations seems to be tarnished for their efforts.
If you ignore the fact we played a part in the destabilisation of certain regions you are deluding yourself.