[Kizzy]

We are trying to find a peaceful solution, yet anyone who attempts to have a diplomatic discussion with terrorist organisations seems to be tarnished for their efforts.
If you ignore the fact we played a part in the destabilisation of certain regions you are deluding yourself.

[bots]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This thread Just astounds me. There are so many reasons why.

I think ignorance is probably the main one to be honest do people really not have any understanding of why these people are running for their lives?

Do you even know that you helped pay to turn this into this?


If you support hate,war and murder then you have to accept that there are consequences. You are always going to get racist morons spouting bollocks but i fear for our future when reasonably educated people are too blind to realise that there are consequences to murder and destruction of other countries.
One of those consequences are that innocent men women and children have to run for their lives. Where are they supposed to go?

Either take some responsibility or take a stand against warmongering for profit you cant have it both ways.

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire country

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can you all stick to the topic please

[billy123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So, by definition then, we have done very little in the way of damage to civilian areas in Syria so we have no responsibility for re-homing refugees.

Also, the Syrian government and its own people are the main protagonists. So how does one address the people of the UK suffering for their actions?

If you are talking about fairness and responsibility, you need to paint the whole picture, not a snapshot of 1 building in an entire country

The contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction?

[Ammi]

..we should take as many refugees as we possibly can take..as many as is feasibly possible to take/regardless of the stance of any other country..not because we're British but because we're human beings and the Syrian refugee crisis is a human crisis so is the responsibility of everyone until there is a safe time for Syrians to go back to their homes..(is what I would say to David Cameron..)...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..we should take as many refugees as we possibly can take..as many as is feasibly possible to take/regardless of the stance of any other country..not because we're British but because we're human beings and the Syrian refugee crisis is a human crisis so is the responsibility of everyone until there is a safe time for Syrians to go back to their homes..(is what I would say to David Cameron..)...

Well if, as to the topic of this thread,David Cameron rejected my plan,then as long as he took yours and enacted what you say above,I would be extremely happy,if not happier than had he took mine.

[Northern Monkey]

This is what i would do.
I would tell Cameron to hold off until after the EU referendum.
I would tell him that IF the result is to leave that declining undemocratic shambles then he needs to immediately keep his promise of getting immigration back down into the tens of thousands(which is impossible as an EU member).I'm not talking about sending anybody home but stem the flow of incoming immigrants to a managable amount.
Then i would more than happily take in a lump sum of refugees all to be fully vetted and families first and integrate them into the muslim ghettos....sorry communities of this country.I would take 200,000 of them happily.We should help these people but only when we have the capacity.

[bots]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The contribution of the UK in the destruction of Syria Started a long time before the bombing started and as you know includes a lot more than 1 photo i posted. what am i supposed to do post every fu**ing photo that shows the bombings and destruction?

It was a metaphoric use of snapshot. I was just playing devils advocate to your rather bullish statements.

Of course we should take our share of those vulnerable that are fleeing war, but there has to be common sense built in to the equation to. It's not a black and white answer and its impossible to put a figure to the numbers we should take

[joeysteele]

The only thing I would add is that with refugees,whatever and whoever they may be fleeing from.
Waiting is not an option for the right time to help.

Help is needed instantly,almost no time and for sure very little time,in order to cut down even more suffering for them, to consider waiting for better times to decide to give refuge and assistance.

[Tom4784]

We, along with a lot of countries in the west, have played a part in the destabilization of the region. It's our responsibility to be apart of the solution and taking in a number of refugees is the least we can do.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We, along with a lot of countries in the west, have played a part in the destabilization of the region. It's our responsibility to be apart of the solution and taking in a number of refugees is the least we can do.

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

[DemolitionRed]

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian...ow-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

[Livia]

I have never seen one single person on this forum intimate that Muslims don't count.

Fact.

[Beso]

can't they farm out the refugees to other parts of Syria.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever the number of refugees we take, they should come to us through the UN camps, and not via Calais. This way we've got more chance of getting genuine refugees, families, children... rather than IS infiltrators and economic migrants..

I agree with this if you are fleeing war and persecution Calais should not be where you end up terrorising lorry drivers who can no longer refuel at the port because of attacks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian...ow-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

Originally Posted by Livia

I have never seen one single person on this forum intimate that Muslims don't count.

Fact.

Is this the TIBB homage to Rafa

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

And that's got jack**** to do with our contribution. We can't just wring our hands and look for excuses not to do our part.

[Beso]

we are doing our part.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

we are doing our part.

And there's a lot of resentment in this thread because of it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And that's got jack**** to do with our contribution. We can't just wring our hands and look for excuses not to do our part.

But we are already contributing. We've worked closely with Jordan sending millions to help refugees there, and of course we've already taken refugees from UN camps and we continue to take them from there, which is the right thing to do. Saudi has done nothing - nada - not one thing. I wouldn't say that's got jack **** to do with it, I'd say it's a question that those countries already helping and contributing should be asking.

[Cherie]

I don't see any resentment in the thread just different priorities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Fact 1: The West has been involved in the Syrian conflict since 2012

Fact 2: The West has known that extremists were prominent in the Syrian insurgency, and that the arms they sent into Syria have often ended up in the hands of extremists, since 2012

Fact 3: The US has encouraged ‘moderate’ rebel groups to work with the Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, and has probably knowingly supported jihadis itself

Fact 4: The West has prolonged the fighting and blocked a peaceful solution to the conflict

Fact 5: The West has helped to create the conditions in Syria and Iraq that have allowed IS to grow and prosper

Fact 6: The West’s allies in the region have been supporting extremists in Syria, including IS

Fact 7: Western airstrikes in Syria and Iraq have killed hundreds of civilians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ian...ow-about-syria

Bob, the pictures you posted don't count because its not Belgium or France or god forbid London. Those ruins only killed Muslims, and they don't count, do they? Many westerners have no interest in helping them because "they" are not "us".

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

If you knew me and knew about my life and my loss in the middle east then you wouldn't be going there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To try and say that if a bus full of people died in a crash in your home town and a the same crash happened in Iraq that we should somehow be equally sad, involved and interested is rather far fetched?

Its not realistic

What you have to ask yourself is who was driving the bus?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Saudi Arabia was also instrumental with at least as much involvement in any destabilisation as the UK and probably much more. They haven't taken a single refugee. Shouldn't the Middle East be encouraged to step up? The refugee camps in Jordan are packed, yet they seem to be one of only a few countries in that region taking steps to aid refugees. It shouldn't just be left to a few countries. It should be for everyone to step up.

That's because refugee status doesn't exist in Gulf countries though - most of their populations are poor migrants so they're fearful about what granting refugee status to people would unleash. Saudi and others do donate a lot of money to refugees and there are quite a lot of Syrians in the Gulf countries but they will all be on work and visitor permits not there as refugees