[belle777]

Heavy & Lewis antagonising each other. are there insecurities involved there?
is Heavy's aggressive behaviour hiding other issues ?
is Lewis unable to relate to Heavy because he is a little rough ? he also often refers to him as "big" and "greedy"! Lewis is not exactly that refined himself. but then again non of the housemates selected for their social refinements.
it would have been nice if they got all the Alcohol out on the table and got a system of sorting it in the open. Lewis and other house mates including Marnie did act sneakily re wine and alcohol.
at the BB house they have a limited and rationed amount of food and Alcohol! they should be sharing it fairly. If Marnie has some food intolerance she should have made arrangements before entering the BB house i can't recall the name , but there was someone in the BB who had food intolerance. BB made suitable arrangements for them. Lewis& Heavy certainly have a clash of personalities. today's episode hit the fan from the beginning with Frankie V Bear!

tells you something when a Mafioso related woman is not nominated and Bear is nominated weekly . Britain can not forgive bad manners ( not the band : P )

Lewis is fast to puff up his chest and behave in a threatening manner. Heavy was getting his fists up but he didn't seem as serious to me. just because someone is big does not mean they are strong. or menacing. there is a lot of domination issues going on on this house and i don't have a favourite. i hope one day the bbUK will not make it obligatory to have a winner. so the public can show their total disapproval!

[hot2go]

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

Really? Yet Heavy D is the only one who has managed to rile up the riler - uppers and get them all hot and bothered. He single - handedly exposed Lewis's weakness's, took the spotlight off a very silent and subdued Bear and didn't succumb to outright anger when Lewis insisted he say 'please' and 'thank you' for letting him have a little wine after he and Marnie pilfered most of it for themselves. He doesn't need any community care thank you very much, he took on the bullies tonight and made them look like the pillocks.
He was winding up with a surprising dollop of humour considering how he was treated and I thought wind up merchants were revered this series?
But of course he's at risk on the next eviction because he has a big wobbly belly and isn't good looking...I get it now....

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? Yet Heavy D is the only one who has managed to rile up the riler - uppers and get them all hot and bothered. He single - handedly exposed Lewis's weakness's, took the spotlight off a very silent and subdued Bear and didn't succumb to outright anger when Lewis insisted he say 'please' and 'thank you' for letting him have a little wine after he and Marnie pilfered most of it for themselves. He doesn't need any community care thank you very much, he took on the bullies tonight and made them look like the pillocks.
He was winding up with a surprising dollop of humour considering how he was treated and I thought wind up merchants were revered this series?
But of course he's at risk on the next eviction because he has a big wobbly belly and isn't good looking...I get it now....

Yes, summed it up yet again, Jet!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

He cannot even string a sentence together

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

This comment is so wrong on so many levels. It is the sort of thing I would expect to come out of Lewis' mouth.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

Disgusting post.

[hot2go]

His body type or looks are not relevant to me as they aren't in any housemate ... I just don't like him..., I can't stand the volume and the performance .... I should love him winding up the young lads but I don't ... I love the rivalry between Aubrey and Bear and between Frankie and bear but I just don't like Heavy D... I disliked him as soon as he entered the house and that dislike was cemented when he spoke so badly to Chloe... I don't like women being talked about and treated like that... I don't respect the dumb act that he obv uses as his celebrity image, it's not what interests me in any way and he's too old to pull it off ... Sorry if you think that's dismissive but it's the way it is... He is exactly the type of person I don't like in real life. I don't know how they are all enduring being locked up with him, I really don't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

His body type or looks are not relevant to me as they aren't in any housemate ... I just don't like him..., I can't stand the volume and the performance .... I should love him winding up the young lads but I don't ... I love the rivalry between Aubrey and Bear and between Frankie and bear but I just don't like Heavy D... I disliked him as soon as he entered the house and that dislike was cemented when he spoke so badly to Chloe... I don't like women being talked about and treated like that... I don't respect the dumb act that he obv uses as his celebrity image, it's not what interests me in any way and he's too old to pull it off ... Sorry if you think that's dismissive but it's the way it is... He is exactly the type of person I don't like in real life. I don't know how they are all enduring being locked up with him, I really don't.

I didn't like him much (he can be pretty annoying) or rate him until tonight. I thought you would too going by what you always said you admired in a HM. You say 'he's too old to pull it off' - I didn't realise you had an age limit as to who could be eligible for being a winder - upper.
Maybe you just don't like that he came out better and smarter tonight than the 'squad'. That he didn't let Lewis make him lose it over the alcohol and instead turned it around and made Lewis lose it (and Marnie too). And Bear became small and insignificant like he did when faced with the big security guard and said little. If you were being true to your previous statements of what you like in HM's, then you would admire Heavy for his show tonight, whether you actually like him or not shouldn't come into it.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

His body type or looks are not relevant to me as they aren't in any housemate ... I just don't like him..., I can't stand the volume and the performance .... I should love him winding up the young lads but I don't ... I love the rivalry between Aubrey and Bear and between Frankie and bear but I just don't like Heavy D... I disliked him as soon as he entered the house and that dislike was cemented when he spoke so badly to Chloe... I don't like women being talked about and treated like that... I don't respect the dumb act that he obv uses as his celebrity image, it's not what interests me in any way and he's too old to pull it off ... Sorry if you think that's dismissive but it's the way it is... He is exactly the type of person I don't like in real life. I don't know how they are all enduring being locked up with him, I really don't.

You made the point about not liking him for the way he spoke to Chloe, and that you dislike women being spoken to in that way. However, at the same time, you support someone who is cheating on his girlfriend through his actions in the house and using Chloe like a pawn in his game, just to wind up Heavy D....... I am disgusted by anyone who treats women like that!

There's a massive hypocrisy in your views here, and a massive irony when Bear's treatment of women is so much worse.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You made the point about not liking him for the way he spoke to Chloe, and that you dislike women being spoken to in that way. However, at the same time, you support someone who is cheating on his girlfriend through his actions in the house and using Chloe like a pawn in his game, just to wind up Heavy D....... I am disgusted by anyone who treats women like that!

There's a massive hypocrisy in your views here, and a massive irony when Bear's treatment of women is so much worse.

No hypocricy about it...Im going on what takes place in the house....it's what I always do....people's real life relationships are their business and complicated....I know nothing of the circumstances.
As for Chloe, he was a pawn in her game as much as she was in his....she was the one laughing loudest and had as big a reason to wind up Heavy as he did. You all patronise her, that attitude to women again, like she's some victim and too dumb to make her own decisions....she's not educated but she's def not dumb and if she didn't want to be around Bear she would make it very clear...like she did with Heavy, and that brings us back to the start again ...Heavy doesn't respect women

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

No hypocricy about it...Im going on what takes place in the house....it's what I always do....people's real life relationships are their business and complicated....I know nothing of the circumstances.
As for Chloe, he was a pawn in her game as much as she was in his....she was the one laughing loudest and had as big a reason to wind up Heavy as he did. You all patronise her, that attitude to women again, like she's some victim and too dumb to make her own decisions....she's not educated but she's def not dumb and if she didn't want to be around Bear she would make it very clear...like she did with Heavy, and that brings us back to the start again ...Heavy doesn't respect women

I had started to respond to this, but changed my mind, as I didn't think there was any point, so deleted it. The main reason for that was the way you too often choose to judge and deride people, either for having a different view to you, or in this case, even before I've expressed my view.

In this case I am referring to this part of your message: - 'You all patronise her, that attitude to women again, like she's some victim and too dumb to make her own decisions'.

The whole tone of this comment is patronising, judgmental, insulting and belittling, as nowhere on here have I ever 'patronised' her, or shown 'that attitude towards women', or suggested she is 'too dumb to make her own decisions'. You have chosen to make this statement as if it is a fact, even before knowing my view on Chloe and even before giving me a chance to express one, and I actually find your accusation and tone really belittling and offensive.

Please do not ever accuse me of something I haven't done, and if you truly want to have a discussion, rather than just trying to impose your views on others and belittling them if their view differs from yours, I feel you need to stop and consider what you say in future and about how you are expressing yourself, especially as this is not the first time that you have done this, and I notice how many other forum members have also expressed the same feeling. I notice, too, how a group of you band together to back up each other in treating people in this way. I didn't join this forum to be subject to this, and I am not prepared to tolerate it. Hence, I will no longer respond to any other of your posts in which this happens.

I will, however, respond to your points on this occasion, firstly because you have asked me for my views on this in another post and, secondly, because I would like the opportunity to defend myself from the accusations you have thrown at me. They are as follows:-

1) I had never heard of Bear before watching BB, so know nothing about him outside of the house other than what he, himself has discussed during his time in BB. I even missed launch night, so had no information about him at all. Therefore, I too am only judging him from what I have seen on BB.

If he chooses to discuss something whilst in BB, and he has discussed having a girlfriend and being in a relationship a number of times, then it is acceptable to judge him on that. In fact, he discussed her again last night, and chose to dump her on live television, rather than having the decency to wait until he got out.

You had made statements about how you dislike men who treat women badly, and had been appalled at Heavy D's treatment of Chloe. I simply found that strange when I know you support Bear, who had revealed he had a girlfriend, but still chose to cheat on her, and who also chose to use Chloe to wind-up someone else. On top of that he also chose to disrespect the fact that she has a boyfriend, which again she has been open about in the house.

I agree with you too that she was using him also, and that she was also disrespecting her boyfriend. However, that still doesn't change the fact that he was using her. I actually feel the whole 'dare' game in which he persuaded her to kiss him several times, when she was clearly reluctant to do so at first, was a subtle way of manipulating her to get involved in that situation. He was the instigator. In my opinion, a man who has respect for women wouldn't have chosen to play that game with her or chosen to kiss her in the first place.

Although, contrary to what you assumed, I actually agree with you that Heavy D's treatment of Chloe was bad and that he went too far in that task, but in my opinion Bear's treatment of women is much worse. Heavy D didn't truly show respect for Chloe in that situation, but I don't think we have seen enough to state he doesn't respect women in general, as I have not seen him treat the other women badly. Additionally, Chloe also said herself the other night that she has no problem with Heavy D and it was no big deal. In my opinion, cheating on women and using them (and now dumping his girlfriend on tv) is much more disrespectful.

By making the statement that clearly suggests you oppose any disrespect of women - 'that attitude towards women again', etc- you appear to be presenting yourself as a defender of women. That is where I see the hypocrisy: in you excusing Bear, and in being selective in your use of information (which he himself has revealed in the house) that is not suggesting true respect for women.

2) My opinions of Chloe- I actually don't think she is dumb, but I do feel that her decision to let men treat her in the way we have seen, the fact that she has done so much to change her appearance, and the fact that she chooses to present herself and to behave in such a sexualised was, suggest a lack of self-worth and self-respect; you wouldn't change your appearance if you felt you were good enough as you were, and the sexualisation of herself suggests that she feels that is the only way she feels she can be appealing to men and succeed in the world. I therefore think she is vulnerable to allowing herself to be used and taken advantage of- for which you will no doubt accuse me of being patronising, even though it is not meant that way.

Do I fully respect her or approve of her behaviour? No - she is choosingto behave as she does and thereby leave her herself open to being judged badly by others, so it is her decision and she therefore has to accept the consequences, which I do in fact believe she has the ability to see. Therefore, I do not feel she is 'dumb' (not a word I would choose to use) or that she is unable to make her own decisions (both part of your accusations towards me). I do, however, think her decisions are questionable and suggest she doesn't respect herself, and that she is, in fact, as bad as Bear for behaving in that way, even though I think the reasons for her behaviour are different.

Now that I have done what you have requested and responded to your points, with the explanations you always seem to demand, I am ending this discussion, as I am not going to jump through hoops by being expected to explain myself and defend myself repeatedly- that's just going round in circles and is pointless when I already know you will tell me I am wrong anyhow.

[hot2go]

Lewis is an idiot but if he's still the same when he's Heavys age he too will be a bigger idiot on the same scale as Heavy D.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Lewis is an idiot but if he's still the same when he's Heavys age he too will be a bigger idiot on the same scale as Heavy D.

So it's okay for Lewis to steal drink and then goad Heavy, asking him to say please and thank you for kindly giving up some wine, trying to humiliate and degrade him. It's okay for Lewis to say at least he's got a bird (so respectful to women) and call Heavy names about his weight a few days ago. It's okay because Lewis is younger than Heavy? Are you serious?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

So it's okay for Lewis to steal drink and then goad Heavy, asking him to say please and thank you for kindly giving up some wine, trying to humiliate and degrade him. It's okay for Lewis to say at least he's got a bird (so respectful to women) and call Heavy names about his weight a few days ago. It's okay because Lewis is younger than Heavy? Are you serious?

Jet you are getting me confused with someone else because nothing you are saying is correct.... I don't like Lewis....I've repeatedly posted about him calling the females birds and telling them they are good girls ...I may well have been the first person on here to say that...and as recently as this week end I have been saying that.
When did I call Heavy D names about his weight ? When ? And what's younger got to do with it... You forget I was team Jason....these things you're saying are not fare Jet... just accept that I don't like the guy just like I have to accept others don't like Bear....we all have certain types we can't stand and unfortunately mine always seem to popular with the majority ...,I can't cow tail to people just because they think Heavy is a legend or Biggins is a National Treasure.., I cant stand either
As for Lewis taking drink and patronising Heavy I would like to know the reason why if different to the reason they gave....seemed a random thing to do and knowing how inconsiderate Heavy is I tend to believe them even though they themselves were being sly and inconsiderate too.
His lack of respect for women and his lack of respect for volume control around the others, esp first thing in the morning is exactly what brings me to believe he could have a lack of respect for people's drinks.
But one thing is certain, disliking Marnie and Lewis does not make me dislike Heavy any less....he is the worst by a mile for me and I don't feel sorry for him in any way.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He cannot even string a sentence together

on the contrary, his diary room chats and noms show the complete reverse. early on in the series, when BB decided to air some parts of his conversations with other housemates regarding strategies and so on out in the garden, he displayed an ability to connect the dots and understand the machinations, to formulate and conceptualise. the man is not an idiot - the persona IS, and it's what he uses as a shield and as a tool to bait when he sees it will do the job - like in last night's show - and something he's built an income on. cannot STAND his persona, but would like to get to know more about the man, his background, what makes him tick and not just the noise of his BOOM!

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Jan S

on the contrary, his diary room chats and noms show the complete reverse. early on in the series, when BB decided to air some parts of his conversations with other housemates regarding strategies and so on out in the garden, he displayed an ability to connect the dots and understand the machinations, to formulate and conceptualise. the man is not an idiot - the persona IS, and it's what he uses as a shield and as a tool to bait when he sees it will do the job - like in last night's show - and something he's built an income on. cannot STAND his persona, but would like to get to know more about the man, his background, what makes him tick and not just the noise of his BOOM!

Spot on yet again, Jan.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Jet you are getting me confused with someone else because nothing you are saying is correct.... I don't like Lewis....I've repeatedly posted about him calling the females birds and telling them they are good girls ...I may well have been the first person on here to say that...and as recently as this week end I have been saying that.
When did I call Heavy D names about his weight ? When ? And what's younger got to do with it... You forget I was team Jason....these things you're saying are not fare Jet... just accept that I don't like the guy just like I have to accept others don't like Bear....we all have certain types we can't stand and unfortunately mine always seem to popular with the majority ...,I can't cow tail to people just because they think Heavy is a legend or Biggins is a National Treasure.., I cant stand either
As for Lewis taking drink and patronising Heavy I would like to know the reason why if different to the reason they gave....seemed a random thing to do and knowing how inconsiderate Heavy is I tend to believe them even though they themselves were being sly and inconsiderate too.
His lack of respect for women and his lack of respect for volume control around the others, esp first thing in the morning is exactly what brings me to believe he could have a lack of respect for people's drinks.
But one thing is certain, disliking Marnie and Lewis does not make me dislike Heavy any less....he is the worst by a mile for me and I don't feel sorry for him in any way.

When you said this:

Lewis is an idiot but if he's still the same when he's Heavys age he too will be a bigger idiot on the same scale as Heavy D.

....I interpreted that as saying it's more understandable that Lewis could get away with doing awful things like making Heavy say please and thank you for stolen drinks because he is young and Heavy isn't. As Lewis was the bigger idiot last night by far I don't really know what else that quote means?

If you read the sentence again I didn't say YOU called Heavy D names about his weight, I said Lewis did.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

When you said this:


....I interpreted that as saying it's more understandable that Lewis could get away with doing awful things like making Heavy say please and thank you for stolen drinks because he is young and Heavy isn't. As Lewis was the bigger idiot last night by far I don't really know what else that quote means?

If you read the sentence again I didn't say YOU called Heavy D names about his weight, I said Lewis did.

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

[empire]

lewis thinks that because he has the perfect body and perfect looks, and he sees heavy d as not perfect, in his mind heavy d should be ridiculed and humiliated and also berated, lewis and marnie talk about him in a very berated way,

[Vanessa]

Bear trying to break up a fight. Who would have thought?

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by empire

lewis thinks that because he has the perfect body and perfect looks, and he sees heavy d as not perfect, in his mind heavy d should be ridiculed and humiliated and also berated, lewis and marnie talk about him in a very berated way,

Two very shallow and spiteful people - what they do to Heavy D is actually cruel. I cant stand it, it is bullying. Lewis and Marnie are selfish awful human beings. Offer to share things equally before you berate anyone else about manners. They 2 should be punished - a whole week without alcohol.

[Mick]

What i found interesting was that Lewis appeared genuinely shocked that he was nominated.Mr Boom i just feel sad clown yet when it comes to the public vote this might work for him.Lewis has back footed himself and Bear has the opportunity to play one off against the other.An interesting few days await.The three of them are all mouth and trousers giving it large while hiding behind the big brothers skirts.?

[joeysteele]

Lewis and Marnie were wrong to hide any alcohol.
I am actually surprised BB allowed them to.

So for that I realise heavy D suspected there should be more and kept a watch as to how things went.

However, Heavy D to me could be the most aggressive in there now, he does fume, he has anger and frustration smouldering inside and then lets fly.
He goads others into challenging him ad then in the diary room says meekly, he is sorry and calms right down, so nothing is done.

He was part of the winding up of James before the food fight incident too, so he is too a very capable wind up merchant.

I would not trust Heavy D myself,the smile hides a lot more of his bad side than we actually see and he got what he wanted last night, a way to get at Lewis, mainly for being bears associate,using the alcohol as an excuse and using Marnie too to try to enrage Lewis.

Lewis however came across as looking rather daft in his challenging of Heavy D,something heavy D was again able to use, to make himself look the better man despite again being the initial 'starter' of the incident and getting away with a little cosy chat for doing so.

They should all do their best to avoid heavy D and let him get so mad they do, that he really blows his top and we get to see how awful he really is likely.
If I was in, when he has that daft smile on his face,hiding his real intentions,I would just keep smiling back at him, refusing to engage on anything with him really,that would wind him up far more than falling into the trap of 'comical' challenges, as Lewis fell for last night.

Although as I said earlier, Lewis and Marnie were wrong to hide alcohol,on the other side however no one else even noticed that or were bothered, only heavy D, who also is very adept at making sure he gets airtime.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? Yet Heavy D is the only one who has managed to rile up the riler - uppers and get them all hot and bothered. He single - handedly exposed Lewis's weakness's, took the spotlight off a very silent and subdued Bear and didn't succumb to outright anger when Lewis insisted he say 'please' and 'thank you' for letting him have a little wine after he and Marnie pilfered most of it for themselves. He doesn't need any community care thank you very much, he took on the bullies tonight and made them look like the pillocks.
He was winding up with a surprising dollop of humour considering how he was treated and I thought wind up merchants were revered this series?
But of course he's at risk on the next eviction because he has a big wobbly belly and isn't good looking...I get it now....

Originally Posted by jet

I didn't like him much (he can be pretty annoying) or rate him until tonight. I thought you would too going by what you always said you admired in a HM. You say 'he's too old to pull it off' - I didn't realise you had an age limit as to who could be eligible for being a winder - upper.
Maybe you just don't like that he came out better and smarter tonight than the 'squad'. That he didn't let Lewis make him lose it over the alcohol and instead turned it around and made Lewis lose it (and Marnie too). And Bear became small and insignificant like he did when faced with the big security guard and said little. If you were being true to your previous statements of what you like in HM's, then you would admire Heavy for his show tonight, whether you actually like him or not shouldn't come into it.

..I can't say that I like Heavy D as such, Jet because he is annoying/childish and can behave quite badly and I'm not excusing any of that but at least with Heavy, there is some level of understanding for me...they're not really I don't think 'winding him up' as such but more trying to 'put him in his place' and for him to know his place little girl or whatever it was that Aislene said to Nikki and he's definitely not knowing his place atm......because they're not able to control him or have the influence over him I should say, as they did at the beginning when he was also a part of their 'squad'...(and I have to say that, that didn't show him in a great light either to be part of it..)...anyways, yes he has a big wobbly belly, while Lewis is a beautiful people....and is only Storage Wars..(which he needs to go back to and be a flop in according to Lewis..)..whereas Lewis is Towie and Bear is Ex on the Beach and Marnie is Geordie Shore so he really is stepping above his station here....he needs to say these pleases and these thank yous and worship the very ground for every morsel they allow him and be good and grateful for because they allowed him into their squad...but then the problem was, he went and thought he was equal in being in that squad and what the heck with that..?...I mean really..?...they can have the food and the drink and whatever because they get to decide who gets the food and the drink and whatever they feel their self-entitlements to and they'll decide what others can have as well... (it's annoying when people don't comply with that, is it not..?..)...and more annoying still when those others aren't even as beautiful and cheeky chappy and adorably and entertaing-ly as wind-up as us....sadly though, I think that they may be right in that I fear that the popularity of their reality shows may win in the voting and also that his annoying personality will very much go against him as well because he hasn't endeared really ..and then always the factor as well that some voting may be 'they're hot and he's not' motivated....