[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

So it's okay for Lewis to steal drink and then goad Heavy, asking him to say please and thank you for kindly giving up some wine, trying to humiliate and degrade him. It's okay for Lewis to say at least he's got a bird (so respectful to women) and call Heavy names about his weight a few days ago. It's okay because Lewis is younger than Heavy? Are you serious?

Jet you are getting me confused with someone else because nothing you are saying is correct.... I don't like Lewis....I've repeatedly posted about him calling the females birds and telling them they are good girls ...I may well have been the first person on here to say that...and as recently as this week end I have been saying that.
When did I call Heavy D names about his weight ? When ? And what's younger got to do with it... You forget I was team Jason....these things you're saying are not fare Jet... just accept that I don't like the guy just like I have to accept others don't like Bear....we all have certain types we can't stand and unfortunately mine always seem to popular with the majority ...,I can't cow tail to people just because they think Heavy is a legend or Biggins is a National Treasure.., I cant stand either
As for Lewis taking drink and patronising Heavy I would like to know the reason why if different to the reason they gave....seemed a random thing to do and knowing how inconsiderate Heavy is I tend to believe them even though they themselves were being sly and inconsiderate too.
His lack of respect for women and his lack of respect for volume control around the others, esp first thing in the morning is exactly what brings me to believe he could have a lack of respect for people's drinks.
But one thing is certain, disliking Marnie and Lewis does not make me dislike Heavy any less....he is the worst by a mile for me and I don't feel sorry for him in any way.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He cannot even string a sentence together

on the contrary, his diary room chats and noms show the complete reverse. early on in the series, when BB decided to air some parts of his conversations with other housemates regarding strategies and so on out in the garden, he displayed an ability to connect the dots and understand the machinations, to formulate and conceptualise. the man is not an idiot - the persona IS, and it's what he uses as a shield and as a tool to bait when he sees it will do the job - like in last night's show - and something he's built an income on. cannot STAND his persona, but would like to get to know more about the man, his background, what makes him tick and not just the noise of his BOOM!

Originally Posted by hot2go

The biggest difference between these two is about twenty years ....Heavy D is a prized pillock ....it's like watching a care in the community documentary.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Jan S

on the contrary, his diary room chats and noms show the complete reverse. early on in the series, when BB decided to air some parts of his conversations with other housemates regarding strategies and so on out in the garden, he displayed an ability to connect the dots and understand the machinations, to formulate and conceptualise. the man is not an idiot - the persona IS, and it's what he uses as a shield and as a tool to bait when he sees it will do the job - like in last night's show - and something he's built an income on. cannot STAND his persona, but would like to get to know more about the man, his background, what makes him tick and not just the noise of his BOOM!

Spot on yet again, Jan.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Jet you are getting me confused with someone else because nothing you are saying is correct.... I don't like Lewis....I've repeatedly posted about him calling the females birds and telling them they are good girls ...I may well have been the first person on here to say that...and as recently as this week end I have been saying that.
When did I call Heavy D names about his weight ? When ? And what's younger got to do with it... You forget I was team Jason....these things you're saying are not fare Jet... just accept that I don't like the guy just like I have to accept others don't like Bear....we all have certain types we can't stand and unfortunately mine always seem to popular with the majority ...,I can't cow tail to people just because they think Heavy is a legend or Biggins is a National Treasure.., I cant stand either
As for Lewis taking drink and patronising Heavy I would like to know the reason why if different to the reason they gave....seemed a random thing to do and knowing how inconsiderate Heavy is I tend to believe them even though they themselves were being sly and inconsiderate too.
His lack of respect for women and his lack of respect for volume control around the others, esp first thing in the morning is exactly what brings me to believe he could have a lack of respect for people's drinks.
But one thing is certain, disliking Marnie and Lewis does not make me dislike Heavy any less....he is the worst by a mile for me and I don't feel sorry for him in any way.

When you said this:

Lewis is an idiot but if he's still the same when he's Heavys age he too will be a bigger idiot on the same scale as Heavy D.

....I interpreted that as saying it's more understandable that Lewis could get away with doing awful things like making Heavy say please and thank you for stolen drinks because he is young and Heavy isn't. As Lewis was the bigger idiot last night by far I don't really know what else that quote means?

If you read the sentence again I didn't say YOU called Heavy D names about his weight, I said Lewis did.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

When you said this:


....I interpreted that as saying it's more understandable that Lewis could get away with doing awful things like making Heavy say please and thank you for stolen drinks because he is young and Heavy isn't. As Lewis was the bigger idiot last night by far I don't really know what else that quote means?

If you read the sentence again I didn't say YOU called Heavy D names about his weight, I said Lewis did.

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

Sorry about that h2go, it was a different post of mine you were referring to, I see that now, and I agree I made it sound as if you didn't like Heavy because he was fat...my mistake, it was a general comment, I know you have never ran him down for his weight, and wouldn't.
As for immaturity, give me someone who is immature for their age (and I'm not convinced Heavy really is) over someone who is an arrogant self - entitled bully like Lewis any day....I know which one I'd be on the side of...

On a side note, some young people are very mature, some aren't, some older people are very mature, some aren't, it isn't cut and dried.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jan S

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

I try to look past the celebrity persona but it's hard when that persona is one I dislike so much....I think because he seems to be in it 24/7 and I don't like it, makes it hard to digest...which I'm sure is exactly how it must feel for people who don't like Bears persona...Heavys voice irritates me so much but it's a voice that hits all the buttons for me....Bears voice is irritating other people cause it hits all their buttons....sometimes our assessments are based on just their behaviour but sometimes it's based on the type of personality they are.....I disliked Bear on launch night on sight before he upset anyone...and each thing he's done since that I find ugly just fits with my perception of him on launch night.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Jan S

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

Absolutely agree -

I love Bear and Heavy D - cant deal with Lewis and Marnie.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

Im watching it right now and they re all taunting him "coo eee" taking the mick out of his T shirt - all three of them -they are ostracising him and baiting him.

Its not about maturity its the fact that those three show no respect to anyone else - they stole that wine, they tried to wind him up. They re awfull. Bears alright to me because I think once Lewis is gone Bears more friendly side will come out.

Wish Lewis and Marnie would just leave already. Im tired of the arguing and want to see more humour in the tasks etc. Still miss BB17.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Im watching it right now and they re all taunting him "coo eee" taking the mick out of his T shirt - all three of them -they are ostracising him and baiting him.

Its not about maturity its the fact that those three show no respect to anyone else - they stole that wine, they tried to wind him up. They re awfull. Bears alright to me because I think once Lewis is gone Bears more friendly side will come out.

Wish Lewis and Marnie would just leave already. Im tired of the arguing and want to see more humour in the tasks etc. Still miss BB17.

I actually don't feel sorry for Heavy but I also don't like Marnie and Lewis....Heavy taunts people himself and what he got last night was no worse than what he gave out to Chloe, sorry no sympathy from me.....but Bear didn't get involved last night until the point where he tried to stop Lewis making an even bigger mistake ...Bear didn't take the drinks or laugh about doing so...he was in the garden when Lewis and Marnie did that.....Some people are saying Bear was part of a Bully Group picking on Heavy, other people say he was a coward and was put in his place by Heavy...be nice if all the Heavy fans could at least unite with one story and stick to it...and even better if they could focus on the real version which was Bear wasn't part of it, neither was he trying to be or hiding from it....I think he was just enjoying having a ring side seat for once with the others

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I actually don't feel sorry for Heavy but I also don't like Marnie and Lewis....Heavy taunts people himself and what he got last night was no worse than what he gave out to Chloe, sorry no sympathy from me.....but Bear didn't get involved last night until the point where he tried to stop Lewis making an even bigger mistake ...Bear didn't take the drinks or laugh about doing so...he was in the garden when Lewis and Marnie did that.....Some people are saying Bear was part of a Bully Group picking on Heavy, other people say he was a coward and was put in his place by Heavy...be nice if all the Heavy fans could at least unite with one story and stick to it...and even better if they could focus on the real version which was Bear wasn't part of it, neither was he trying to be or hiding from it....I think he was just enjoying having a ring side seat for once with the others

He had no part in it. Bear actually tried to stop Heavy D and Lewis from coming to blows.