[Cherie]

Parliament have to vote

[Withano]

Interesting. So they can either vote for leaving, better in the short run, no riots or mistrust. Or they can vote for whats better in the long run, staying in and rebalancing the value of the pound. I wouldnt want to have their power right now, theyre either gonna piss off 52% of adults or all future generations of Brits.

Is there a date?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Interesting. So they can either vote for leaving, better in the short run, no riots or mistrust. Or they can vote for whats better in the long run, staying in and rebalancing the value of the pound. I wouldnt want to have their power right now, theyre either gonna piss off 52% of adults or all future generations of Brits.

Is there a date?

No it looks like there will be an appeal to the Supreme Court

[Braden]

I'm interested to see how this will turn out.

I doubt the majority of them will want to piss off the 52% that voted to leave, fair and square. The consequences would be nasty and generate an even far worse state of Great Britain than we already have.

[Crimson Dynamo]

a supreme court tea

[MTVN]

Crikey didn't expect that

They will definitely vote in favour of it by a huge majority though, maybe the SNP will vote against and some MPs will abstain

[MTVN]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

lol the pound is such a mess of avarice

[Livia]

I they reverse the vote they will never be trusted again to carry out the democratic intentions of their electorate.

[Rob!]

Good. Anything that halts this ridiculous decision can only be a good thing.

[Vicky.]

So...a referendum was pointless? Surely this should have been checked beforehand?

For what its worth I do think they will go along with the vote though. But this is a bit silly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So...a referendum was pointless? Surely this should have been checked beforehand?

For what its worth I do think they will go along with the vote though. But this is a bit silly

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So...a referendum was pointless? Surely this should have been checked beforehand?

For what its worth I do think they will go along with the vote though. But this is a bit silly

No we have a appeal

[Kizzy]

They don't want to block it, surprised so many still confused by this.

'We will scrutinise. We will examine. But my Lords – we will not block. But neither will we be bullied into abdicating our responsibilities.

We have to be adult about this. We can’t have the most enthusiastic Brexiters crying foul every time Parliament asks for more details or seeks to scrutinise.

This can’t be the only issue on which the Government is allowed a blank cheque without any accountability. It’s complex, it’s difficult. And the Government should see this House as an asset and not try to avoid helpful scrutiny.'

NI need to appeal their decision now, surprised they rushed through their ruling, if they had waited to see what ours was?...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

[Kizzy]

Spoiler:

[UserSince2005]

if brexit doesnt go through then this country is not a democracy.

[Northern Monkey]

It's nothing to worry about.All the government has to do is ask parliament a binary question:To trigger article 50 or not
Only the SNP will dare vote against it.It'll still get triggered.

[Denver]

so basically the voters dont have a voice

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Adam.

so basically the voters dont have a voice

Got it in one Adam. We have all the trappings of living in a democracy, without actually living in a democracy.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Got it in one Adam. We have all the trappings of living in a democracy, without actually living in a democracy.

That's strange too to see as an American... It feels like our countries are so similar. Though I'd say as of late, the strengths of democracy have certainly been under test... there's people here that don't realize that some of the solutions they are proposing (out of convenience) are anti-democratic. The internet has helped to change that narrative too.

I would be really frustrated if I were a voter. I can live with the result of our election, as long as it's the people's voice that's been heard. No system is perfect and though I may not agree with the outcome of our primaries either, the system worked as intended... now it's up to the people to live with the consequences. Sometimes that's the only way to grow as a nation...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Got it in one Adam. We have all the trappings of living in a democracy, without actually living in a democracy.

..yeah I don't think there is such a thing as a true and complete democracy, Jenny...we have our vote as in remain/brexit for instance but once that vote is given and once the votes have determined then it's not down to us or anyone other than the government to implement and decide etc...we're always dependants once our votes are given...it's a shame that Ikea didn't do a big round table, big enough for us all to sit around and all decide the 'hows' together and be part of all decisions...we could team build and bond just putting the table together, that would take around 7 years anyway...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I don't think there is such a thing as a true and complete democracy, Jenny...we have our vote as in remain/brexit for instance but once that vote is given and once the votes have determined then it's not down to us or anyone other than the government to implement and decide etc...we're always dependants once our votes are given...it's a shame that Ikea didn't do a big round table, big enough for us all to sit around and all decide the 'hows' together and be part of all decisions...we could team build and bond just putting the table together, that would take around 7 years anyway...

The problem with a big round table discussion, is like one of the problems of the EU itself. You end up with too many people involved in a negotiation and very little actually being achieved. It's a bit like that old adage too many cook spoil the brew!
I wonder how long in the putting the table together process it would be before started throwing bits at each other!

In the instance of the referendum I would have thought it perfectly reasonable to let the government in power go ahead, initiate, find out what's on the table and then tell the rest of us what's on offer. It seems bizarre to me that we had a vote by Parliament to give us a referendum, took the vote, made a decision and now we have to have more debate. It seems pointless.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I don't think there is such a thing as a true and complete democracy, Jenny...we have our vote as in remain/brexit for instance but once that vote is given and once the votes have determined then it's not down to us or anyone other than the government to implement and decide etc...we're always dependants once our votes are given...it's a shame that Ikea didn't do a big round table, big enough for us all to sit around and all decide the 'hows' together and be part of all decisions...we could team build and bond just putting the table together, that would take around 7 years anyway...

That is a good picture to think of Ammi,yes get back to basics.

Which is what no matter for who voted remain or leave, is what I hoped for, a govt. that would actually seek to heal divisions by bringing together all who campaigned and then work together to find the as near right consensus to go forward with the leaving of the EU.
A back to basics attitude and treat this issue as the truly wholly national issue it is.

Instead what the PM and the leading figures in govt have done is fuel the divisions among the people who voted on either side, also however caused major divisions with all political parties and MPs, even many of their own in the Conservative party too.

The UK and parliament now seem to be heading to be even more divided than they were on the surface before the referendum,that has to be down to the way the govt has itself chosen to exclude too many that should have been involved all through the process.
A big mess and all really sad too at such a great opportunity missed to heal divisions rather than open them up more.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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That is a good picture to think of Ammi,yes get back to basics.

Which is what no matter for who voted remain or leave, is what I hoped for, a govt. that would actually seek to heal divisions by bringing together all who campaigned and then work together to find the as near right consensus to go forward with the leaving of the EU.
A back to basics attitude and treat this issue as the truly wholly national issue it is.

Instead what the PM and the leading figures in govt have done is fuel the divisions among the people who voted on either side, also however caused major divisions with all political parties and MPs, even many of their own in the Conservative party too.

The UK and parliament now seem to be heading to even more divided than they were on the surface before the referendum and that has to be down to the way the govt has itself chosen to exclude too many that should have been involved all through the process.
A big mess and all really sad too at such a great opportunity missed to heal divisions rather than open them up more.

I don't think it's fair to say the government have fueled division. They haven't really done anything yet apart from try to build a plan of some kind so they can take us forward. I don't view the process so far as anything other than preparation for negotiation. I don't think Parliament needs to micro manage everything the government in power does and if this vote stands after the appeal I think it sets a rather silly precedent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

[/B]


That is a good picture to think of Ammi,yes get back to basics.

Which is what no matter for who voted remain or leave, is what I hoped for, a govt. that would actually seek to heal divisions by bringing together all who campaigned and then work together to find the as near right consensus to go forward with the leaving of the EU.
A back to basics attitude and treat this issue as the truly wholly national issue it is.

Instead what the PM and the leading figures in govt have done is fuel the divisions among the people who voted on either side, also however caused major divisions with all political parties and MPs, even many of their own in the Conservative party too.

The UK and parliament now seem to be heading to even more divided than they were on the surface before the referendum and that has to be down to the way the govt has itself chosen to exclude too many that should have been involved all through the process.
A big mess and all really sad too at such a great opportunity missed to heal divisions rather than open them up more.

"Instead what the PM and the leading figures in govt have done is fuel the divisions among the people who voted on either side"

evidence please