[Redway]

We all know how common it is to hear of life after death (NDE) stories but the reverse, life before birth, are virtually unknown. Since there’s a small number of people who can remember (in full or in part) their existence in the afterlife, (mostly small kids, who later forget because of the “veil of forgetfulness,” although some don’t lose the ability to remember), what do you think about pre-birth existence? Have you personally experienced it or have an idea of someone who has?

[LeatherTrumpet]

can you explain how you think this works?

[Niamh.]

I believe in neither pre nor post life

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I believe in neither pre nor post life

Same as this.

[Ashley.]

I don't think these young children are remembering their existence in a past life; they're merely remembering dreams they've had when they were younger and confusing them with reality.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I don't think these young children are remembering their existence in a past life; they're merely remembering dreams they've had when they were younger and confusing them with reality.

As I said earlier, there’s this supposed phenomenon called “veil of forgetfulness.” It’s meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids don’t lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

I’m no quasi-spiritual wack but I’ve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

As I said earlier, there’s this supposed phenomenon called “veil of forgetfulness.” It’s meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids don’t lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

I’m no quasi-spiritual wack but I’ve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.

and both have convincing theories.

Can you show us these theories and where they have been published, I presume they have been peer reviewed?

Some links?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and both have convincing theories.

Can you show us these theories and where they have been published, I presume they have been peer reviewed?

Some links?

"Convincing" meaning "convincing to me." I'm not presenting a case or even saying I necessarily believe in it myself. I'm just interested in other people's opinions.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

"Convincing" meaning "convincing to me." I'm not presenting a case or even saying I necessarily believe in it myself. I'm just interested in other people's opinions.

but you have not said how this can happen ?

before you are conceived you do not exist in any way shape or form so how?

Also the "soul" is just a religious term and is not real so the whole premise starts off incorrect?

What did you read that sounded in any way convincing?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Redway

As I said earlier, there’s this supposed phenomenon called “veil of forgetfulness.” It’s meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids don’t lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

I’m no quasi-spiritual wack but I’ve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.

Oh I know the general gist of it, I just don't believe it.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Oh I know the general gist of it, I just don't believe it.

I'm not sure I do, either, but there's definitely a lot to be said for it.

Life Before Birth (A Children's Memoir) is an unbiased book that got me questioning the whole thing. A group of scientists in the states collected 2500 cases of children who could recall facts and events from years preceding their birth. I know stuff along those lines can happen with autistic savants but it made me wonder.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

I'm not sure I do, either, but there's definitely a lot to be said for it.

Life Before Birth (A Children's Memoir) is an unbiased book that got me questioning the whole thing. A group of scientists in the states collected 2500 cases of children who could recall facts and events from years preceding their birth. I know stuff along those lines can happen with autistic savants but it made me wonder.

have you got a link to that book pls or the authors name

[jaxie]

I don't believe in such experiences, either before life or after death. I think they are probably fantasies influenced by TV/beliefs/desire for afterlife etc.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't believe in such experiences, either before life or after death. I think they are probably fantasies influenced by TV/beliefs/desire for afterlife etc.

I think those near death experiences are probably your brain shutting down and doing strange things

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think those near death experiences are probably your brain shutting down and doing strange things

I think science has more or less proved that the brain does something like that when you die.

[UserSince2005]

I know I was Winston Churchill in a past life and also Aristotle.

this is why i am so amazing and important in this present life.

[jennyjuniper]

I don't remember being in the womb, or know anyone who has. However I was told when small that the reason we have a dent between our nose and upper lip, is that an angel touches us there before we are born and says 'Ssshh, don't tell what you know'.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I don't remember being in the womb, or know anyone who has. However I was told when small that the reason we have a dent between our nose and upper lip, is that an angel touches us there before we are born and says 'Ssshh, don't tell what you know'.

That might just silence LT Jenny - But I doubt it.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That might just silence LT Jenny - But I doubt it.

I doubt it, I'm glad to say I may not always agree with LT (although it's rare that I do disagree with him) but he speaks a heck of a lot of common sense.

[the truth]

regression is an awesomely fascinating subject, totally under investigated. deep hypnosis will take you back to previous existences, the experiences and journeys are staggering

[the truth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porTdeBmejk

[arista]

Yes its there.



But soon
Robots will be
Working in places,
they are assembled
in China and South Korea
and being tested in Military
operations,
also in old folks homes, in Asia
right now.

[joeysteele]

Great to see you back Redway and posing another question to us.
I always have loved that from you.

I can only say I come to the table with I don't really know,I would not discount anything.
I have heard Children in my own family, only aged about 4, say some incredible things.
I have also come across things I certainly cannot answer happening as to life after death too.

The argument for near death experiences often is, the brain closing down at the end of life however it happens when people do not die at all, yet a lot is left there unexplained.

It is something as to creation and other things life before birth or life after death too, I do keep an open mind on.
There are many things we do not know and may never know.

There are many things science too cannot explain too.
I keep an open mind and glad I do.

Of course it is easy to dismiss as nonsense but I am not so sure, and would always try to listen to people who may have come across this with Children as to life before birth or the near death experiences occurrences too.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Great to see you back Redway and posing another question to us.
I always have loved that from you.

I can only say I come to the table with I don't really know,I would not discount anything.
I have heard Children in my own family, only aged about 4, say some incredible things.
I have also come across things I certainly cannot answer happening as to life after death too.

The argument for near death experiences often is, the brain closing down at the end of life however it happens when people do not die at all, yet a lot is left there unexplained.

It is something as to creation and other things life before birth or life after death too, I do keep an open mind on.
There are many things we do not know and may never know.

There are many things science too cannot explain too.
I keep an open mind and glad I do.

Of course it is easy to dismiss as nonsense but I am not so sure, and would always try to listen to people who may have come across this with Children as to life before birth or the near death experiences occurrences too.

I love debates like this but don't think Tibb is the place for it as it's nice to discuss it without feeling like a simpleton,I find it fascinating stuff and would never dismiss anything just because I don't understand it or do not want to.Keep that open mind Joey it's a good thing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I love debates like this but don't think Tibb is the place for it as it's nice to discuss it without feeling like a simpleton,I find it fascinating stuff and would never dismiss anything just because I don't understand it or do not want to.Keep that open mind Joey it's a good thing.

...(I think for the most part, Kaz..)...people are interested in all thoughts on these things, whatever their own thoughts are..and most would be very interested in your views as well......