[Brillopad]

Young Muslim men refuse to embrace the social codes of Western life. They were raised on the idea that their religous ethics trump the ethics of the infidels.

In December 2013 Professor Rund Koopmans of the Berlin Social Science Centre published a study on 'Fundamentalism and out-group hostility' in which he compared hostility among Muslim immigrants and Christisn natives in Western Europe. Almost 60% felt that Muslims should return to the roots of Islam, 75% felt there is only one interpretation of the Quran possible to which every Muslim should stick and 65% felt that religious rules were more important to them than the laws of the country in which they lived. In regards to Christians, he concluded that less than 4% could be characterised as consistent fundamentalists.

In the modern welfare state immigrants were more dependent on the welfare state than the average citizens. As a group they receive more money than they pay in taxes. They also show up much higher in crime statistics than their numbers would justify.

Almost 60% of Europe's Muslims reject homosexuals as friends and 45% think that Jews cannot be trusted. Whilst about 1in 5 natives can be considered Islamophobic, the level of phobia against the West is much higher, with 54% believing that the West is out to destroy Islam.

Muslim integration is successful when Muslims are willing to give up the mental confinement of their countries - countries, let's not forget, which they left in search of a better life. For as long as they refuse to adapt to a European state of mind , they will perpetuate resentment and a culture of violence.

What did 'we' do to 'them'? We opened our cities, our houses, our wallets. And in our secular temples of progress - our metro stations, airports and theatres - their sons are killing themselves and taking our sons and daughters with them.

There is nothing for which we need to apologise. Occidentophobia originated in the Muslim community. We need to demand they abandon it.

From an article called 'Muslims hate the West' published in 2016 which I found very interesting. Thoughts please.




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[MB.]

From an article called 'Muslims hate the West'

Well that's going to be balanced

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by MB.

Well that's going to be balanced

It came from an article from Politico which apparently tends to have a left centre bias, not a right-wing source as you suggest.

[Northern Monkey]

I think the title of the article was a bad choice.The majority of home grown muslims i don't think fall into this category.The ones who grew up with western values.Yes there are home grown terrorists but they are a minority.
The article is possibly true though of muslims who grew up in strict muslim countries and dont want to adjust to the western way of life.Hence why we get ghettos with shariah courts etc.

[Wizard.]

How come they called themselves British Asian like on that BBC Radio Asia advert? If I moved to a Muslim country would they call me British Asian? No they'd call me British and sinful

[user104658]

I love the smell of hilarious xenophobic propaganda in the morning.

[Withano]

I love confirmation-bias.

[Withano]

Can I ask how you found this article. I have a feeling you probably typed 'Muslims hate the West' in to Google.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Can I ask how you found this article. I have a feeling you probably typed 'Muslims hate the West' in to Google.

And your feelings would be wrong, as usual. It was a perfectly valid factual article from a non- right wing source - all the more reason to attempt to dismiss it Hey.

You have your own agenda and will only hear what you want to hear. I doubt too many are influenced by that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And your feelings would be wrong, as usual. It was a perfectly valid factual article from a non- right wing source - all the more reason to attempt to dismiss it Hey.

You have your own agenda and will only hear what you want to hear. I doubt too many are influenced by that.

Right, no, but that cant be true really. Nobody believes that you stumbled on this website and just scrolled back until 2016 (and even then, you would have decided to open this and not the hundreds of articles before that date). So you must have searched for a keyword somewhere.

So how did you find his article, why did you skirt around that very direct question?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Right, no, but that cant be true really. Nobody believes that you stumbled on this website and just scrolled back until 2016 (and even then, you would have decided to open this and not the hundreds of articles before that date). So you must have searched for a keyword somewhere.

So how did you find his article, why did you skirt around that very direct question?

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I was interested in the problems experienced across Europe with mass immigration and Islam. That was just one example of what I found.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I really don't care whether you believe me or not. I was interested in the problems experienced across Europe with mass immigration and Islam. That was just one example of what I found.

Believe you or not? You havent answered how you came across the article yet lol! You havent put me in a posistion to not believe you. (The rest of your post isnt really relevant to the only discussion I'm having with you on the subject).

[jennyjuniper]

In the 60's/70's in Yorkshire, quite a few Asian families moved into our area to work in the cotton mills. Everyone seemed to get along fine. They didn't try to interfere in our way of life and we accorded them the same courtesy. Then the asian population grew and with it came the imams and that's when problems started to arise.
When muslims are only a small minority they manage to get along with people, but as soon as their numbers grow. so does their aggression and demands.
In parts of London 'sharia patrols' are out after dark forbidding non muslims from walking past their mosques, telling British women how to dress and heckling anyone who they percieve as gay.
What's really alarming is that a non muslim would almost certainly be jailed for uttering racist remarks to a muslim, yet muslims can scream death threats and 'down with britain' and 'kill the police', even when the police are there and very little if anything is done about it.
Radical muslims feed on democracy and the freedom it gives them to infiltrate our countries, yet would be the first to stamp out and last vestige of freedom or democracy for us.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

In the 60's/70's in Yorkshire, quite a few Asian families moved into our area to work in the cotton mills. Everyone seemed to get along fine. They didn't try to interfere in our way of life and we accorded them the same courtesy. Then the asian population grew and with it came the imams and that's when problems started to arise.
When muslims are only a small minority they manage to get along with people, but as soon as their numbers grow. so does their aggression and demands.
In parts of London 'sharia patrols' are out after dark forbidding non muslims from walking past their mosques, telling British women how to dress and heckling anyone who they percieve as gay.
What's really alarming is that a non muslim would almost certainly be jailed for uttering racist remarks to a muslim, yet muslims can scream death threats and 'down with britain' and 'kill the police', even when the police are there and very little if anything is done about it.
Radical muslims feed on democracy and the freedom it gives them to infiltrate our countries, yet would be the first to stamp out and last vestige of freedom or democracy for us.

That doesn't happen, yes there were one of two cases near Whitechapel where this happened, but there are no "no go" muslim ghettos in London, I live in a very multicutural area, my sons school were 90 per cent asian and there are no problems apart from the usual idiots that you get in every culture.

[Livia]

Roughtly 200 million females are the victims of female genital mutilation in the world today. This means at best, their clitoris is removed with a razor blade or scissors and at worst, their clitoris and labia are removed and they are sewn up leaving just a small hole for urination and menstruation. Those who don't bleed to death or die from infection go on to have massive problems with sex (penetrative sex is almost impossible without pain and injury) and childbirth puts the mother and child at risk of a painful death. FGM is practised almost entirely by Muslims... a patriachal religion where women have almost no say in their own lives.

This barbaric act is carried out in order to keep Muslim women from having sexual thoughts and to keep them pure for marriage. So... are we surprised that the countries supporting FGM not fans of the West, with our feminism and our equal rights?

[Firewire]

Christian woman experience FGM as well, by the way.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Christian woman experience FGM as well, by the way.

You will notice I said "FGM is practised almost entirely by Muslims". The number of Christians and others are tiny in comparison. In most Muslim countries where FGM is practised women have no control over their own lives including access to heathcare, education... and a tiny percentage of Christians (and others) who carry out FGM only serves to illustrate how massive the problem is in Islamic countries.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You will notice I said "FGM is practised almost entirely by Muslims". The number of Christians and others are tiny in comparison. In most Muslim countries where FGM is practised women have no control over their own lives including access to heathcare, education... and a tiny percentage of Christians (and others) who carry out FGM only serves to illustrate how massive the problem is in Islamic countries.

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

Yes, FGM pre-dates Islam. That's a well-known fact. Because it's happening mainly in Africa (although it's going on all over the world) doesn't make it less important.

Here's a pesky fact for you. 200 million women. TWO HUNDRED MILLION. Almost entirely Muslims. Nothing getting in the way of that fact.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, FGM pre-dates Islam. That's a well-known fact. Because it's happening mainly in Africa (although it's going on all over the world) doesn't make it less important.

Here's a pesky fact for you. 200 million women. TWO HUNDRED MILLION. Almost entirely Muslims. Nothing getting in the way of that fact.

But you're falling into the "correlation implies causation" trap there, when there is clear evidence that the practice is cultural and not religious. To make what point, I don't know.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

Unfortunately British girls are taken out of this country to have FGM and then returned. And yet there has never been one prosecution.

'Fifty girls' taken from UK to Somalia for FGM

FGM is banned but very much alive in the UK

"It's a custom that is very much alive, not just in home countries but in Scotland," says Anela Anwar, from the Glasgow-based charity Roshni. "People have given us information saying girls are being cut in Scotland or we hear that girls are taken back home to be cut over the summer holidays."

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and since 2003 anyone taking a child out of the UK to be cut faces 14 years in prison. However, there has yet to be a single conviction. Two people were arrested in November accused of carrying out FGM on a five-week-old baby but, according to the Metropolitan police, there was "insufficient evidence to proceed".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Unfortunately British girls are taken out of this country to have FGM and then returned. And yet there has never been one prosecution.

'Fifty girls' taken from UK to Somalia for FGM

FGM is banned but very much alive in the UK

"It's a custom that is very much alive, not just in home countries but in Scotland," says Anela Anwar, from the Glasgow-based charity Roshni. "People have given us information saying girls are being cut in Scotland or we hear that girls are taken back home to be cut over the summer holidays."

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and since 2003 anyone taking a child out of the UK to be cut faces 14 years in prison. However, there has yet to be a single conviction. Two people were arrested in November accused of carrying out FGM on a five-week-old baby but, according to the Metropolitan police, there was "insufficient evidence to proceed".

How do they prove this though is the question? unless the girl reports it and actually shows them which is probably unlikely

[Niamh.]

Also, it seems to be more cultural, it's not practiced in most Muslim countries, It seems to be most prevalent in African countries. Barbaric tradition though

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, it seems to be more cultural, it's not practiced in most Muslim countries, It seems to be most prevalent in African countries. Barbaric tradition though

It's disgusting, but yes it's more of a Central African thing

[Firewire]

No wonder they want to come here then, eh?