[Firewire]

Christian woman experience FGM as well, by the way.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Christian woman experience FGM as well, by the way.

You will notice I said "FGM is practised almost entirely by Muslims". The number of Christians and others are tiny in comparison. In most Muslim countries where FGM is practised women have no control over their own lives including access to heathcare, education... and a tiny percentage of Christians (and others) who carry out FGM only serves to illustrate how massive the problem is in Islamic countries.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You will notice I said "FGM is practised almost entirely by Muslims". The number of Christians and others are tiny in comparison. In most Muslim countries where FGM is practised women have no control over their own lives including access to heathcare, education... and a tiny percentage of Christians (and others) who carry out FGM only serves to illustrate how massive the problem is in Islamic countries.

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

Yes, FGM pre-dates Islam. That's a well-known fact. Because it's happening mainly in Africa (although it's going on all over the world) doesn't make it less important.

Here's a pesky fact for you. 200 million women. TWO HUNDRED MILLION. Almost entirely Muslims. Nothing getting in the way of that fact.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, FGM pre-dates Islam. That's a well-known fact. Because it's happening mainly in Africa (although it's going on all over the world) doesn't make it less important.

Here's a pesky fact for you. 200 million women. TWO HUNDRED MILLION. Almost entirely Muslims. Nothing getting in the way of that fact.

But you're falling into the "correlation implies causation" trap there, when there is clear evidence that the practice is cultural and not religious. To make what point, I don't know.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The vast majority of FGM is carried out in Northern African countries and has been going on for over 2000 years - since before the birth of Christianity, let alone Islam - so is almost certainly rooted in once-obscure tribal traditions, and would be going on in those areas regardless of the majority religion. Like a horrific "Christmas Tree", I suppose.

But let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a good bit of anti-islam rhetoric.

Unfortunately British girls are taken out of this country to have FGM and then returned. And yet there has never been one prosecution.

'Fifty girls' taken from UK to Somalia for FGM

FGM is banned but very much alive in the UK

"It's a custom that is very much alive, not just in home countries but in Scotland," says Anela Anwar, from the Glasgow-based charity Roshni. "People have given us information saying girls are being cut in Scotland or we hear that girls are taken back home to be cut over the summer holidays."

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and since 2003 anyone taking a child out of the UK to be cut faces 14 years in prison. However, there has yet to be a single conviction. Two people were arrested in November accused of carrying out FGM on a five-week-old baby but, according to the Metropolitan police, there was "insufficient evidence to proceed".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Unfortunately British girls are taken out of this country to have FGM and then returned. And yet there has never been one prosecution.

'Fifty girls' taken from UK to Somalia for FGM

FGM is banned but very much alive in the UK

"It's a custom that is very much alive, not just in home countries but in Scotland," says Anela Anwar, from the Glasgow-based charity Roshni. "People have given us information saying girls are being cut in Scotland or we hear that girls are taken back home to be cut over the summer holidays."

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and since 2003 anyone taking a child out of the UK to be cut faces 14 years in prison. However, there has yet to be a single conviction. Two people were arrested in November accused of carrying out FGM on a five-week-old baby but, according to the Metropolitan police, there was "insufficient evidence to proceed".

How do they prove this though is the question? unless the girl reports it and actually shows them which is probably unlikely

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do they prove this though is the question? unless the girl reports it and actually shows them which is probably unlikely

I believe some of it comes out because NHS after care is often needed to mutilated little girls so it's not without medical proof. I think they just choose not to prosecute because often it's a parent involved. I would argue it's no different from any other form of child abuse.

Surely taking your child to have their privates cut up is as bad as beating them up or other forms of assault?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I believe some of it comes out because NHS after care is often needed to mutilated little girls so it's not without medical proof. I think they just choose not to prosecute because often it's a parent involved. I would argue it's no different from any other form of child abuse.

Surely taking your child to have their privates cut up is as bad as beating them up or other forms of assault?

You would think so wouldn't you. But an underlying current of PC is still prioritising religious freedom over child welfare, especially when it involves girls.

This country needs to get their priorities right and stand up to this madness.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I believe some of it comes out because NHS after care is often needed to mutilated little girls so it's not without medical proof. I think they just choose not to prosecute because often it's a parent involved. I would argue it's no different from any other form of child abuse.

Surely taking your child to have their privates cut up is as bad as beating them up or other forms of assault?

Oh of course, its barbaric i completly agree, I hadnt thought of the example you gave, I just wondered how theyd fi d out but thats a good example you gave