[jaxie]

I was surprised not to see a thread about this so putting one out in case people want to discuss the EUs outrageous attitude towards Gibraltar who they seem to think needs Spain's permission to be part of the UK's deal.

[joeysteele]

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

Indeed. The potential issues surrounding Brexit should have been examined and hammered out in "if" scenarios before they even THOUGHT about holding an actual vote,let alone triggering article 50. Alas, that's all captain hindsight stuff now. Here we are.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed. The potential issues surrounding Brexit should have been examined and hammered out in "if" scenarios before they even THOUGHT about holding an actual vote,let alone triggering article 50. Alas, that's all captain hindsight stuff now. Here we are.

Agree completely.
As you say here we are, only at the start too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

As with all other parts of the UK, Gibraltar voted in the referendum. They had the same vote as everyone else. You are excusing the behaviour of the EU by trying to blame their attitude towards a region with self determination on those who voted leave. In my view we should refuse further talks until they put this right.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As with all other parts of the UK, Gibraltar voted in the referendum. They had the same vote as everyone else. You are excusing the behaviour of the EU by trying to blame their attitude towards a region with self determination on those who voted leave. In my view we should refuse further talks until they put this right.

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar, the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar from the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

If there were many Gibraltans who wanted to stay in the EU, that would explain such views from those more concerned with making up that 2% or so difference in a desperate attempt to overturn the public vote rather than a faux moralistic concern for the Gibraltans.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar, the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

As with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, England, Gibraltar voted as part of the United Kingdom. One person, one vote. It didn't vote as just Gibraltar, neither did Scotland vote as just Scotland.

Gibraltar has it's own government and runs its own affairs, they also voted by 98% to stay a part of the UK in 2002. How can you have umbrage over the Brexit vote on their regard but not over Spain and the EU's disgraceful attempt to use Gibraltar?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, England, Gibraltar voted as part of the United Kingdom. One person, one vote. It didn't vote as just Gibraltar, neither did Scotland vote as just Scotland.

Gibraltar has it's own government and runs its own affairs, they also voted by 98% to stay a part of the UK in 2002. How can you have umbrage over the Brexit vote on their regard but not over Spain and the EU's disgraceful attempt to use Gibraltar?

I think it is time,particularly a loud minority in England,started to take into consideration the feelings and views of other Nations and dependencies have.
Otherwise not only will the UK split likely in a few years but the old loyalties of other said places,end up being tested too far too.

[Northern Monkey]

Spain has always contested our rule of Gibralter and probably always will.However the important thing is that the people of Gibralter want to be part of the UK and have voted that way.Spain will always keep trying their luck.

[Livia]

The EU is makings itself look petty and small. And who the hell is Spain to call the shots? The people of Gibraltar are British. There is nothing else to say.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

The EU is makings itself look petty and small. And who the hell is Spain to call the shots? The people of Gibraltar are British. There is nothing else to say.

Exactly. This is another classic example of the corrupt bully boy tactics of the defunct unaccounted bankrupt EU. Not happy with trying to charge us $60 billion for democratically leaving their disgraceful organization. They now try any dirty tactic to cling onto power, including somehow threatening us with Spains non-existent claims over Gibralter. I am prouder than ever to be a brit, a free thinking brit who simply wishes to keep my own country and our sovereignty, whilst at the same time being willing to trade and do business with the entire world. Not to forget we will now decide who will come into the country and who will not. I dont know if the numbers of people arriving will change or necessarily change, but we will be free to decide over who comes here and why. That is a profound difference.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

Exactly. This is another classic example of the corrupt bully boy tactics of the defunct unaccounted bankrupt EU. Not happy with trying to charge us $60 billion for democratically leaving their disgraceful organization. They now try any dirty tactic to cling onto power, including somehow threatening us with Spains non-existent claims over Gibralter. I am prouder than ever to be a brit, a free thinking brit who simply wishes to keep my own country and our sovereignty, whilst at the same time being willing to trade and do business with the entire world. Not to forget we will now decide who will come into the country and who will not. I dont know if the numbers of people arriving will change or necessarily change, but we will be free to decide over who comes here and why. That is a profound difference.

Here here

[smudgie]

Am I confused here, are Spain saying there will be no freedom of movement with Spain/ Gibralter then.
Sounds a bit daft as the traffic is nearly all one way, so many more Spanish unemployed on the way then.

[arista]

Spain a Trouble Maker
Our Rock is staying British forever

[Kizzy]

Gibraltar voted to remain, who are they more loyal to...England or the European Union?

Is it worth another ideological war?

[MTVN]

Gibraltar seem pretty clear in their view

In a 2002 referendum GIbraltar voted by a 99 per cent margin to remain part of the United Kingdom, but in last year’s EU referendum it voted by 97 per cent to remain in the EU.

Spain has made territorial claim over Gibraltar for more than 300 years, but Mr Picardo said the prospect of the territory ending up under shared control was "awful."

Mr Picardo said: "It would strip us of who we are. It would not be British if sovereignty should be shared with Spain.

"It would be awful. Our home would be handed over to a party that has no claim to title.

"Our day to day lives would not be the lives that would we live today. We would be living in somebody else’s land."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7662566.html

[DemolitionRed]

out of the EU, Gibraltar will essentially be surrounded by politically hostile countries, so at the end of the day, it's up to Gibraltar as they have to be able to trade with the rest of the EU easily to survive.

[thesheriff443]

Gibraltar was under English sovereignty when Britain joined the common market in 1973 before Spain had even joined the common market.

Spain needs to do more for its only people.

[Tom4784]

It's up to Gibraltar to decide, since they voted Remain in the referendum, like with Scotland and NI, I'd be for letting them decide once and for all whether they'll stay or go.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's up to Gibraltar to decide, since they voted Remain in the referendum, like with Scotland and NI, I'd be for letting them decide once and for all whether they'll stay or go.

They are part fo the UK, the UK voted remain. Anything else is treasonous. Sadly thats where the opportunists of labour have been for years, selling our country down the river , often for personal gain

[Kizzy]

I agree, and how many referendums do they need?... Scotland it's ok Gibraltar can have a few so you can have one more

[Kizzy]

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

So they can treat them like Catalonia?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

It is about respecting the rights of the people who live there. Don't they have the same rights as the Scots in your opinion?