[joeysteele]

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

Indeed. The potential issues surrounding Brexit should have been examined and hammered out in "if" scenarios before they even THOUGHT about holding an actual vote,let alone triggering article 50. Alas, that's all captain hindsight stuff now. Here we are.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed. The potential issues surrounding Brexit should have been examined and hammered out in "if" scenarios before they even THOUGHT about holding an actual vote,let alone triggering article 50. Alas, that's all captain hindsight stuff now. Here we are.

Agree completely.
As you say here we are, only at the start too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't see enough voters in the UK bothered about Gibraltar's view on the issue.

This sadly is an example of how unpleasant and difficult things could become.

It happens when something is proposed with little or even no forward planning at the time across all considered important issues.

As with all other parts of the UK, Gibraltar voted in the referendum. They had the same vote as everyone else. You are excusing the behaviour of the EU by trying to blame their attitude towards a region with self determination on those who voted leave. In my view we should refuse further talks until they put this right.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As with all other parts of the UK, Gibraltar voted in the referendum. They had the same vote as everyone else. You are excusing the behaviour of the EU by trying to blame their attitude towards a region with self determination on those who voted leave. In my view we should refuse further talks until they put this right.

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar, the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar from the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

If there were many Gibraltans who wanted to stay in the EU, that would explain such views from those more concerned with making up that 2% or so difference in a desperate attempt to overturn the public vote rather than a faux moralistic concern for the Gibraltans.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Gibraltar didn't have the millions of voters England had, so hardly had any chance of their massively overwhelming view on the vote at all influencing anything whatsoever.
Which until now as to Gibraltar, the UK govt.has not been bothered about either.

As with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, England, Gibraltar voted as part of the United Kingdom. One person, one vote. It didn't vote as just Gibraltar, neither did Scotland vote as just Scotland.

Gibraltar has it's own government and runs its own affairs, they also voted by 98% to stay a part of the UK in 2002. How can you have umbrage over the Brexit vote on their regard but not over Spain and the EU's disgraceful attempt to use Gibraltar?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, England, Gibraltar voted as part of the United Kingdom. One person, one vote. It didn't vote as just Gibraltar, neither did Scotland vote as just Scotland.

Gibraltar has it's own government and runs its own affairs, they also voted by 98% to stay a part of the UK in 2002. How can you have umbrage over the Brexit vote on their regard but not over Spain and the EU's disgraceful attempt to use Gibraltar?

I think it is time,particularly a loud minority in England,started to take into consideration the feelings and views of other Nations and dependencies have.
Otherwise not only will the UK split likely in a few years but the old loyalties of other said places,end up being tested too far too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it is time,particularly a loud minority in England,started to take into consideration the feelings and views of other Nations and dependencies have.
Otherwise not only will the UK split likely in a few years but the old loyalties of other said places,end up being tested too far too.

If the 'UK' didn't take into account the feelings of the parts of the UK or of dependencies, none of them would have had referendum's to decide their own fate when requested. They wouldn't have devolved parliament's and the ability to make their own decisions.

There are times, however, when we vote as 'The UK' and at those times we have to respect the outcome.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If the 'UK' didn't take into account the feelings of the parts of the UK or of dependencies, none of them would have had referendum's to decide their own fate when requested. They wouldn't have devolved parliament's and the ability to make their own decisions.

There are times, however, when we vote as 'The UK' and at those times we have to respect the outcome.

Good luck with all that.

I shouldn't comment really as I am off out the UK this year anyway.
I do predict the UK will break up however and while sad for that.
The dictating of votes,election results from the loud minority in much larger populated England that dictates more and more against the will of so called equal Nations of the UK and other territories,coming to an end is in my view well overdue.