[rusticgal]

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

[Vanessa]

Well, i don't think it was a big deal. They said they like each other

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Well, i don't think it was a big deal. They said they like each other

Special K, owned snake boy. poor raphy's is slipping.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Special K, owned snake boy. poor raphy's is slipping.

That did not happen.

[Vanessa]

Raph made me laugh when Kieran wanted to shake his hand and he just blanked him

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Raph made me laugh when Kieran wanted to shake his hand and he just blanked him

So Vanessa...would you have found Joe funny if he had snubbed Raph and not shaken his hand??....I think not.

[Littlegreen]

Kieran does seem a bit like a caged animal, you can tell he wants to start ranting and smashing things up but he has played a good game being the nice guy for 5 weeks, and won't ruin it.

Now that is good gameplaying.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Kieran does seem a bit like a caged animal, you can tell he wants to start ranting and smashing things up.

He is as cool as a cucumber...lost it once when Chanelle lost it with him and flicked his hat off. He has shown no other signs of losing it or smashing things up...

[Littlegreen]

Seems like they have probably bonded while smoking together, we'd notice it if we had live feed.

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He is as cool as a cucumber...lost it once when Chanelle lost it with him and flicked his hat off. He has shown no other signs of losing it or smashing things up...

He is cool as a cucumber. But a couple of times he has needed to blow but won't because of the facade, the other day when Tom was getting rowdy Kieran had to walk into another room because he wanted to kick off so badly. Then tonight with Raph you could hear in his voice he was angry but he simmered while offering a handshake.

I do wish Raph had taken it as a goodwill gesture, but they seemed fine and it was a silly argument anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

[SteveG2688]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by SteveG2688

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Tom took some too, if Raph saw Kieron do it he must have seen Tom too as they did it together,but he knew Tom is fiery and would have turned on him (coward) so went for the soft option,but ended up with egg on his face

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

If Raph hasn't seen other people take it then why is he gonna confront them on something that isn't 100% proven.

And yes Raph would go softer on Chanelle as she's his best friend in the house, but anybody would in that case as Raph is Human, we all have a bias.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

They like each other. Raph was only annoyed because Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it and wouldn't admit it.

[Vanessa]

At the end of the show they seemed OK with each other. So I don't think they will fall out. Otherwise I will have to get in there and knock their heads together

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

Totally right Mock.

Nothing to add to all you've said there from me.

I was really disappointed in Kieran actually.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Totally right Mock.

Nothing to add to all you've said there from me.

I was really disappointed in Kieran actually.

Kieran always shows odd behaviour like this sometimes though Joey, it's why I really can't take to him as a person very much.

[Littlegreen]

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

I like you. I like you too. How cute was that?

[SteveG2688]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

No, its because Kieran is playing a massive game of mr nice guy and doesnt want to look bad on camera. 2 housemates over this series who know him on the outside have said that hes a d*** head/not being himself (rebecca and isabelle) that paired up with the way he behaved on ex on the beach (absolutely vile) is enough evidence for me to say hes got a game plan and a blooming good one too.