[Vanessa]

Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face.

[rph]

they cant stand that raph is better than them

[Cherie]

Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation

He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden

She was being a bit annoying about Sue going, I mean you contributed to her exit so stop crying fgs

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She was being a bit annoying about Sue going, I mean you contributed to her exit so stop crying fgs

How dare Hannah be upset that one of her other friends in the house got evicted.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So the four amigos..prompted by Hannah take themselves off into the bedroom to declare their allegiance...Hannah calling in Chanelle first then Raph in front of others making the others feel 'left out' of the cool gang. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Good job Tom didn't do that with Charlotte, Kieron and Ellie cos this forum would be in meltdown.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden

Hannah called Chanelle into the bedroom with Deborah...then came out and called Raph in...Andrew, Isabelle and Sam obviously felt discluded and Andrew didn't like it..hence his reaction.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Hannah called Chanelle into the bedroom with Deborah...then came out and called Raph in...Andrew, Isabelle and Sam obviously felt discluded and Andrew didn't like it..hence his reaction.

that makes sense of his strop

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that makes sense of his strop

It was a strop...but it's an understandable one. You could see on his face he didn't like the gang mentality and it was Hannah who led it.
That's exactly why he did what he did...
If the other four of the original clique did that under the noses of Chanelle etc...don't tell me Chanelle wouldn't have had some sly digs.
However...it's ok for the Outsiders to do it.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He came across really bitchy tonight. And what the hell has he got against Hannah all of a sudden

everything he said about Hannah was actually him!! Hes the diva!!

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Andrew never said a word, and Charlotte was making a valid observation

charlotte is spot on though.

[storybrooke]

I was surprised by this because Andrew used to be obsessed with him and Charlotte/Raph have more conversations than the highlights show portrays.

I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them are the next ones out of the house

[Underscore]

Got right on my nerves legit feel sorry for Raphael

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Got right on my nerves legit feel sorry for Raphael

I don't see why two people who are different can't be friends. And Raph is a student, not a consultant

[Vanessa]

All this happened after Raph was so nice about Andrew and Charlotte in the diary room

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't see why two people who are different can't be friends. And Raph is a student, not a consultant

I myself have friends from all backgrounds,what Charlotte was saying was ridiculous.

There's being a snob that is nothing wrong at all as to being so but being a judgemental snob, as she was being in the highlights tonight,was very off-putting.

If this is her new moves, then if up I could easily be tempted to vote her out.
I've been indifferent to her but more liked than disliked her up to now.
That may now change.

[Vanessa]

Watch these two both nominate Hannah and Raph next.

[Stefan Rivers]

it's pretty obvious that andrew came into the house to try to make close friends with chanelle/raph but now that he's seen they are too close knitted, he latched on to charlotte, everything hannah called someone else into the room, Andrew was VERY BOTHERED, notice andrew only spoke bad about hannah infront of Charlotte/Izzy, he would never do that infront of Chanelle/Raph

[Captain.Remy]

Andrew should shave and take a shower to look clean before even thinking of bitching about others.
So I'm not interested in it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Well well well. I bet they won't tell any of this to his face.

Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.

[Jodie.]

Andrew should be ejected from Thorn Cottage

[Glenn-C]

Originally Posted by Jordi.

Andrew should be ejected from Thorn Cottage

Make him sleep in the woods?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.

Exactly it was an observation, nothing more

[SarenaW]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.

I recall her saying that if Ralph (and Chanelle) were really like how they portrayed themselves to be then they wouldn't be friends. Essentially calling them fake or "too faced".

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Charlotte wasn't bitching about him ,infact she was being generous saying he was intelligent and a doctor in London or something like that, ,and she didn't think that outside of the house him and chanelle would have been friends,which they probably wouldn't have. she wasn't bitching,she said nothing nasty,dont know about Andrew I cant understand him sometimes.

Spot on.

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:
1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:
1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all! I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!