[rusticgal]

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

[bots]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

We will never know the full story surrounding the Rochdale thing and if Ann and Maggie were political opposites there will be conflict from both sides. It's quite unfair to allow one side to spout off on such a subject without the other side being given an immediate right to reply

[Northern Monkey]

I think she’s just a stickler for her principals and once she’d set her criteria that was it.

One thing about her is that she doesn’t lie.She says what she means so I believe her reasoning

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

I still like her although her nom for Maggie was bizarre ,but my guess is a lot of people will go off her now as Maggie has gone and stuck the knife in a tad, but I don't dislike her for it.and yes I think she prefers mens company.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

I think she has higher standards for women. Men, they'll always be those troublesome "boys"...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think she has higher standards for women. Men, they'll always be those troublesome "boys"...

She has a high moral code that she applies to everyone. Honestly, it shows how weak as individuals this bunch of hm's are, that they can't stand up to and challenge a little old lady. Ann is not some monster, she is someone that has her own principles and lives by them. If someone doesnt like what she says they can and should tell her to piss off

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

She has a high moral code that she applies to everyone. Honestly, it shows how weak as individuals this bunch of hm's are, that they can't stand up to and challenge a little old lady. Ann is not some monster, she is someone that has her own principles and lives by them. If someone doesnt like what she says they can and should tell her to piss off

I kind of see a matriarchy vibe. She feels like she's a role model to the other women in the house, so if it seems like she's putting men on a pedestal, I think she is trying to "show" good etiquette/decorum. It's the social responsibility of the mother hen to set the chicklings straight and that's just how it is with some of the older women, especially religious folk. It's like that in the South here.

[BBUK-Fan]

I agree. I like Ann but she made an awful decision to nominate Maggie

[smudgie]

Fair decision for her to nominate Maggie, it wasn't malicious and she explained her reasoning.
Really pleased Maggie has gone now after realing how she makes it all so personal and is quite petty.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

I disagree. You have nothing for comparison since she hasn't had a man and a women rubbing their butts on furniture to see how she behaves to both.

She can like men, it's allowed, it doesn't mean she doesn't like women.

I think what Maggie is saying about Ann and the Rochdale case is very low and Maggie has sunk in my estimation considerably tonight.

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I disagree. You have nothing for comparison since she hasn't had a man and a women rubbing their butts on furniture to see how she behaves to both.

She can like men, it's allowed, it doesn't mean she doesn't like women.

I think what Maggie is saying about Ann and the Rochdale case is very low and Maggie has sunk in my estimation considerably tonight.

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

I know I have no comparison...And I didn't say she wasn't allowed to like men I merely stated that that's how she is coming across to me.
As for Maggies comments...they were below the belt and she should have had this conversation with Ann in the house if she felt that way...not bought it up with Emma and the viewing public when Ann's not there to defend herself.

[Paula D]

Ann didn't see Andrew rub his arse off the window so your comparison is invalid.

And the one time he did get vulgar with her she immediately pulled him up on it.

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Ann didn't see Andrew rub his arse off the window so your comparison is invalid.

And the one time he did get vulgar with her she immediately pulled him up on it.

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I know she didn't see it....i didn't say she did...I simply used it as an example.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I know she didn't see it....i didn't say she did...I simply used it as an example.

An example of What?

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Paula D

An example of What?

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Read my post again...I'm not repeating myself.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Read my post again...I'm not repeating myself.

I've read it, you're wrong. That's fine.

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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

Yeah tbh I'm surprised she nominated Maggie, Ann should of nominated someone else but for whatever reason she didn't want to .

Ann is Ann there's no changing that,but we know she hates when the men behave in a vulgar manner but I bet she just thinks afterwards" boys will be boys" or some crap.

Yeah I don't think she'd easily forgive a woman for the same behavior as she'd call it " UN lady like" .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

...I don’t get the feeling that it’s so much about ‘what winds her up’ as such, but more that she feels a better understanding with males..even if she disapprove of their behaviour or actions..obviously her world has been very male not only in her job but she had a brother I believe and has a nephew...so very much a male dominated world...and she has very ‘stereotypical’ and rigid views with the forming of her opinions as we have seen in the things she’s been opposed to in her time in parliament...but those views are all a part of her belief system which we’re all ‘a product of’ in our lives...I don’t think she would feel that her reason for nominating Maggie was a weak one because I think for Ann she would feel that women as a generalisation should be the ones to feel compassion at the physical pain and most definitely not find any aspect funny, you know...I think that was something she found very hard to fathom in her world of what she feels ‘women should be’...she was only judging on one specific behaviour/reaction thing within the house, not looking at anything with Maggie in her past..anyways sorry I’m rambling...but Although I would be opposed to so many of her beliefs in my own beliefs, I’m finding her very interesting because I say, our beliefs just represent a ‘product’ of our life experiences..religious beliefs etc ...but we’re quite complex creatures with so many aspects to which leaves for me, so much to still like about her......actually one of the things I’ve loved to see is her interactions with the younger females in having her hair and makeup done etc.../...just that girlie girl stuff that she possibly hasn’t experienced much in her life...and how much she seemed to enjoy it was so lovely to see...

..but yeah I think with Maggie, Ann would have felt quite surprised that she found any fun in that task because with her quite narrow perspective of women, she would have expected a sympathetic ‘female response’...maybe excusing the younger females more because well, they’re just young don’t you know.....she may be older, she may have achieved much and had many experiences in some areas through her life...but I get the feeling that with ‘human nature understanding’, she’s still a bit of a young’un herself in many ways......

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She seems to be a mans woman....she would love to be the only female in there. As much as men might wind her up...a self opinionated woman will wind her up even more.
Andrew can rub his butt cheeks anywhere...but if he apologise he will be forgiven. However if a woman did the same thing I don't think she would be...hence her weak reason for nominating Maggie.
I might be wrong but that's what is coming across...
She has lived her life in a male dominated parliament...she demands respect. Of all the women in there who worked in a similar environment and did so much for those poor girls...and resigned after years of service based on morale grounds, you would have thought Ann would have held Maggie in high esteem...
It's all a bit bizarre...anyone else agree?

She nommed Andrew in f to f though so not sure if your thoughts stack up, and she will never nom Amanda

[Niamh.]

Yes I totally agree, I do like her as a HM but I do find her opinions on most things terrible and I think Rachel was right when she said she's a misogynist

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes I totally agree, I do like her as a HM but I do find her opinions on most things terrible and I think Rachel was right when she said she's a misogynist

..one of the things I’ve found interesting is her opposition to female clergy..(..I think that’s why she left C of E for the Catholic faith..)..so yeah, not totally on board with female equality in some aspects, interesting...like you, I like her though even with her views etc...

[Cherie]

It's interesting that a woman preferring men is labelled mysogny what about the men who love females over males, I don't agree with a lot of what Ann says but she has complete conviction in her beliefs and always puts it across well, it's nice to have some intelligence in the house, and it's a shame Rachel went also

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..one of the things I’ve found interesting is her opposition to female clergy..(..I think that’s why she left C of E for the Catholic faith..)..so yeah, not totally on board with female equality in some aspects, interesting...like you, I like her though even with her views etc...

It's odd why she would be so against that, it does smack of thinking men are superior to women. Why anyone who would seek out such an archaic set of beliefs as the Catholic church has (after going through them first hand) seems so odd to me though since Ireland as a country has come so far to shake off the bloody thing

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's odd why she would be so against that, it does smack of thinking men are superior to women. Why anyone who would seek out such an archaic set of beliefs as the Catholic church has (after going through them first hand) seems so odd to me though since Ireland as a country has come so far to shake off the bloody thing

It is because she believes c of e should follow the scriptures.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

It is because she believes c of e should follow the scriptures.

I don't think it actually says anywhere in the scriptures that women can't be Priests though