[Beso]

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-12/...ave-to-be-gay/

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Prayer is, for many people, a powerful and spiritual experience.

Belief in God helps many religious people in their lives in numerous ways. I grew up in the church and understand how faith can be a strength and a comfort."

says the reporter

utter bollocks mate, where is your evidence, you are as bad as the criminal "pastor"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Prayer is, for many people, a powerful and spiritual experience.

Belief in God helps many religious people in their lives in numerous ways. I grew up in the church and understand how faith can be a strength and a comfort."

says the reporter

utter bollocks mate, where is your evidence, you are as bad as the criminal "pastor"

Where is his evidence of what? That faith can be a strength and a comfort to people?

[Oliver_W]

It would be nice for some if there was a cure for gayness, but I think the only way it'd be possible would be divine intervention...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It would be nice for some if there was a cure for gayness, but I think the only way it'd be possible would be divine intervention...

It's not a disease

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not a disease

no but having only 3% of the population only available as a potential partner is limiting and society is almost 100% organised for hetro's so it must be a right pain in the you know what?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

society is almost 100% organised for hetro's

It's not like being in a wheelchair LT, what does this even mean? If anything (and this is probably a huge generalisation) other than the obvious issues with homophobia still being "a thing", in practical terms, society seems VERY well set up for the gay couples I'm friends with. Dual income, no kids, no one is going to have to take maternity leave and stall their career, permanent upwards trajectory... also frankly easier communication / more likely to have aligned interests than your classic "male/female" dynamic. Basically to me it seems like there's a lot of the appeal of "the single lifestyle" for them, but with the benefit of also having love and companionship. The only major difference I can see is in having kids / a family set up, which yes I appreciate many gay couples want and is hard, however it's only a problem for the couples who DO want children (not all do) and also, let's be blunt here, society is NOT set up for families at all these days. It's set up for ambitious singles and power couples . Kids (and families with kids) are treated like an inconvenience pretty much everywhere you go.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no but having only 3% of the population only available as a potential partner is limiting and society is almost 100% organised for hetro's so it must be a right pain in the you know what?

I'd say more like 5% and if you add bisexuals 10%
and ta for the concern, but gays never had a problem in finding one another
we have gaydar remember

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

society is almost 100% organised for hetro's

I wonder who made it like that

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not a disease

It's practically fatal in islamic countries.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's practically fatal in islamic countries.

Not just Islamic countries.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's practically fatal in islamic countries.

mmm true enough

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It would be nice for some if there was a cure for gayness, but I think the only way it'd be possible would be divine intervention...

Erm..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

Erm..

?

I bet people being executed for being gay wish there was a cure (well, a different one!), and plenty of gays in the West wish they could be straight because their families don't accept them, or they want a family.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

?

I bet people being executed for being gay wish there was a cure (well, a different one!), and plenty of gays in the West wish they could be straight because their families don't accept them, or they want a family.

So why should they change and not the nasty people making their lives hell?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

So why should they change and not the nasty people making their lives hell?

If we're talking about things which at least have a remote theoretical possibility, I'd bet more on a treatment which can change one's sexuality than somehow removing bigotry from multiple people.

[Withano]

I’m not gonna read the article but no

[user104658]

Well... organised religion at its core is about (and relies on) living in denial, so I suppose, if you can get someone to the point where they can convince themselves that organised religion is truth, then it's going to be pretty simple for that person to also delude themselves about their sexuality.

I'm carefully using the term "organised religion" here as really that's what we're talking about. Very little to do with the philosophical concept of God.

But yes, for anyone who believes in the validity of organised religion at all, you sort of have to believe that they can indeed "reverse" homosexuality, at least to the same extent of belief as the person would have in the religion itself.




Though in a purely objective sense, of course, the person is still gay and the religion still "false"... unless we start delving into the depths of ontology and metaphysics where you could argue that the delusion becomes the reality, at least for as long as it is a genuinely held belief.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well... organised religion at its core is about (and relies on) living in denial, so I suppose, if you can get someone to the point where they can convince themselves that organised religion is truth, then it's going to be pretty simple for that person to also delude themselves about their sexuality.

I'm carefully using the term "organised religion" here as really that's what we're talking about. Very little to do with the philosophical concept of God.

But yes, for anyone who believes in the validity of organised religion at all, you sort of have to believe that they can indeed "reverse" homosexuality, at least to the same extent of belief as the person would have in the religion itself.




Though in a purely objective sense, of course, the person is still gay and the religion still "false"... unless we start delving into the depths of ontology and metaphysics where you could argue that the delusion becomes the reality, at least for as long as it is a genuinely held belief.

I'd delve into any depths with you

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd delve into any depths with you

Not once Christ has finished with you, you won't

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not once Christ has finished with you, you won't

I still would

[smudgie]

Nothing to fix.....it isn’t broke.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Nothing to fix.....it isn’t broke.

Yes
its on a con.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
its on a con.

Right its total claptrap.

[Matthew.]

deleted my original post because idk if i worded it correctly

i thought that “conversion” practice was illegal? it’s scary that it’s still a thing tbh