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Redway · 03-04-2019, 06:46 AM

Deep-ish for an early morning thread. What are people’s thoughts on reincarnation/life after death?

Elliot · 03-04-2019, 07:51 AM

I don’t believe in it at all. While I’d like to there’s literally 0 logic behind a lot of afterlife theories, even ‘scientific’ and it’s no wonder they’re so frequent in religion

Jigs · 03-04-2019, 08:04 AM

I like to think I'll live again, only with no recollection of my previous life. However I realise this is extremely unlikely and there's no empirical evidence to suggest anything about any sort of afterlife

Niamh. · 03-04-2019, 08:51 AM

As humans we only live once imo but I suppose you could say we live on in other things when we return to the ground through plant life etc?

smudgie · 03-04-2019, 09:32 AM

Your body dies, your soul lives on.

None of this playing harps on fluffy clouds stuff, maybe more of waiting about to be reincarnated.

Northern Monkey · 03-04-2019, 09:44 AM

What is a soul really though?
To me it’s an ancient religious idea that made it possible to enter an afterlife.An idea that has carried over until now.

I think,Once the blood stops pumping,the oxygen stops,the brain dies and the spark goes out.Then that’s it.Any idea of a soul dies with it.

Our brains are incredibly clever machines and they give us a sense of self.
We are just biological AI’s.

user104658 · 03-04-2019, 09:53 AM

Since physical changes to the brain (deterioration or trauma, or even just hormonal and chemical fluctuation) can significantly alter both personality and memory, it seems to me that it's effectively proven that personality is not separate to the physical brain, and thus its very unlikely that an individual personality (as we understand it) persists when the brain is dead / destroyed.

As I know you've posted lots about ECT Redway, I think it's worth asking the question; how can you believe that an individual exists outside of their physical brain and persists when that brain ceases to exist, and also believe in ECT (that physically affecting the brain can alter mood or even personality)? I find the two to be inherently incompatible.

Redway · 03-04-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Since physical changes to the brain (deterioration or trauma, or even just hormonal and chemical fluctuation) can significantly alter both personality and memory, it seems to me that it's effectively proven that personality is not separate to the physical brain, and thus its very unlikely that an individual personality (as we understand it) persists when the brain is dead / destroyed.

As I know you've posted lots about ECT Redway, I think it's worth asking the question; how can you believe that an individual exists outside of their physical brain and persists when that brain ceases to exist, and also believe in ECT (that physically affecting the brain can alter mood or even personality)? I find the two to be inherently incompatible.

Because there’s more to life than what meets the average eye.

Livia · 03-04-2019, 10:12 AM

We don't even know how out own brains work. No way can we comprehend what happens after we die, even if we think we know. Those who have faith see it differently... and not just those who have faith, spiritual people too.

If someone believe that we go on after death, why not allow them that belief?

user104658 · 03-04-2019, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

We don't even know how out own brains work. No way can we comprehend what happens after we die, even if we think we know. Those who have faith see it differently... and not just those who have faith, spiritual people too.

If someone believe that we go on after death, why not allow them that belief?

I don't think anyone is disallowing other people their beliefs... But does allowing people their beliefs mean never discussing belief (or the lack)? Sharing the belief that it doesn't seem logically likely (and the reasons for that belief) is no different to someone sharing their belief that it is possible?

Niamh. · 03-04-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think anyone is disallowing other people their beliefs... But does allowing people their beliefs mean never discussing belief (or the lack)? Sharing the belief that it doesn't seem logically likely (and the reasons for that belief) is no different to someone sharing their belief that it is possible?

It only seems to be people who don't believe in an After life who aren't allowed voice their opinions aswell. It's perfectly fine for you to say you believe in reincarnation rather than Heaven even though that's also saying you don't think Heaven is real

Livia · 03-04-2019, 12:10 PM

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It only seems to be people who don't believe in an After life who aren't allowed voice their opinions aswell. It's perfectly fine for you to say you believe in reincarnation rather than Heaven even though that's also saying you don't think Heaven is real

That's not true.

The people that have no religion and the people who believe you just rot when you die believe they're right. I'm tired of defending my religion on here while people insult it because somehow they think they're more enlightened. It's impossible to discuss religion, and as a consequence, life after death, and not have your faith attacked by people with what they believe to be facts.

Niamh. · 03-04-2019, 12:14 PM

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That's not true.

The people that have no religion and the people who believe you just rot when you die believe they're right. I'm tired of defending my religion on here while people insult it because somehow they think they're more enlightened. It's impossible to discuss religion, and as a consequence, life after death, and not have your faith attacked by people with what they believe to be facts.

No one is asking you to defend anything, if you don't want to debate then don't? And so what if people believe they're right about there being no afterlife, people who believe there is also believe they're right

Livia · 03-04-2019, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think anyone is disallowing other people their beliefs... But does allowing people their beliefs mean never discussing belief (or the lack)? Sharing the belief that it doesn't seem logically likely (and the reasons for that belief) is no different to someone sharing their belief that it is possible?

No, it doesn't mean no one should discuss it. It's just that the "once you're dead, you're dead and that's it" stance is pretty cold because the people who uphold that belief are so very sure of themselves. I remember being recently-bereaved and having several people tell me in a discussion how once you're dead you just rot in the ground. Now, I don't claim that they were saying stuff to upset me, they weren't. It's just no one knows for sure. No one. And in addition, non-religious people don't understand faith so attack it all the time in the firm opinion that they're right.

I do believe our soul, our energy, whatever you want to call it goes on and I also believe that what happens to you when you're dead depends on the kind of life you've lived.

Jews don't believe in heaven and hell, it's complicated... but there's a Jewish joke that says when we die we all go the the same place where Moses and other rabbis teach the Torah and the Talmud for eternity. To the righteous, this is heaven. To the wicked, it equates to eternal suffering.

joeysteele · 03-04-2019, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

We don't even know how out own brains work. No way can we comprehend what happens after we die, even if we think we know. Those who have faith see it differently... and not just those who have faith, spiritual people too.

If someone believe that we go on after death, why not allow them that belief?

Well said Livia.

I have always myself tried to keep an open mind on this.

Form personal experiences and the faith I was born into, although I have moved considerably from that faith now, particularly as to its teachings.

You make very strong points.

MTVN · 03-04-2019, 11:54 AM

What afterlife that's non reincarnation do people believe in out of interest? Heaven?

Livia · 03-04-2019, 12:06 PM

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What afterlife that's non reincarnation do people believe in out of interest? Heaven?

I believe "something" happens. I have no idea what.

Lostie! · 03-04-2019, 02:31 PM

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I believe "something" happens. I have no idea what.

This is exactly the same for me. I don't subscribe to any particular religious belief, but I do think (or perhaps like to think) that there's something after.

And if there's not at least I won't know

Beso · 03-04-2019, 10:32 AM

You all get sucked up into the giant brain of the very first one of your ancestors who came to earth years and years ago..he pissed off back to wherever he came from leaving his jizz to populate his brain food on earth.

user104658 · 03-04-2019, 11:11 AM

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You all get sucked up into the giant brain of the very first one of your ancestors who came to earth years and years ago..he pissed off back to wherever he came from leaving his jizz to populate his brain food on earth.

This seems like a feasible option also.

Shaun · 03-04-2019, 12:02 PM

Yeah I think any form of afterlife would have to technically constitute as "reincarnation" lol, whether it's literal (ie. corporeal) or spiritual.

I don't believe in it but it's not something that preoccupies me and is something I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on, lol. Just not if that means I have to subscribe to some sort of religious code to make sure I get a "nice afterlife".