[GoldHeart]

Do you think it's necessary for businesses like restaurants, bars , cinema ,theatres etc to close due to the coronavirus?.

And if any of these places are open would you still go to them , whilst just being careful?.

[Kate!]

Unfortunately yes. I do believe its necessary. And I will following the advice given. X

[Denver]

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Well I'm very worried about finances as I move to my own flat in 2 days and it has come at the worst possible time

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If it's a council flat then you'll probably be fine, if not then I imagine there will be something in place for private renters.

They'll remove private landlord's right to evict for a while but, even if there is a rule put in place to stop a debt recovery action for the missed payments, there's literally no legal basis for them stopping the landlords upping the rent when the suspension is over to make up the shortfall (which most will do).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This isn't the US, you'll get compensated if you're not able to work.

Unless you work for a certain multinational bookmakers that I traumatically used to work for, where they're threatening people over the phone if they try to call in for quarantine reasons, and stating point blank (with ambiguous authority, from what I remember of my contract it's BS) that they won't be paying sick pay. When half of the customer base is men over 60

But either way in general I think this is wishful thinking Dezzy; deep down you know that not everyone is going to be compensated for loss of income by either the govt. or the companies they work for, and the Tories will not compel said companies to do so when all's said and done.

[Cherie]

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply

[GoldHeart]

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

Again the complicated part isn't getting ill... a healthy young person doesn't (really) need to worry about their health with it - no more than they need to worry about getting sick generally - however the reason for trying to get people to not do it is that for every healthy young person who gets it, it increases the risk that an at-risk person will get it, and the more people at risk of severe infection who get it the higher the burden on hospitals. They want as many people as possible (everyone, ideally) who needs hospital treatment to be able to get it and right now, if there's a sudden increase, they won't be able to.

When the medical experts talk about making "devastating choices" essentially what they're saying is, if there's a 75 year old and a < 50 year old who both need help breathing, the equipment will be given to the younger person and the 75 year old may die when they could have recovered with help. Genuinely a horrendous situation for that person, their family, and any healthcare staff having to make that decision.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply

Thing is we are not dealing with the problem the same as all the other countries ... they are using strategies to combat the virus but WE are simply trying to delay it until the NHS is in better shape to cope ..


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[user104658]

It's temporarily necessary to slow the spread, I just hope that the government is willing to support these industries in the meantime and that the length of closures is controlled and sensible.

Unfortunately, I'm not confident of either, nor am I confident that this government will have much interest in supporting those who end up in financial trouble.

[arista]

Yes Lockdown is needed

[Kizzy]

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

asking

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

asking

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

I don't think they will be within the next week or so.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

The UK doesn't even have a large enough police force or active military to enforce that country-wide. In densely populated areas like city centres it's not impossible, but not in every town and village .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

If all the usual places people go to socialise are closed informally that is forcing you indoors.

[Twosugars]

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

yes, if people want to go outside they must ask for permission

a permission folder what French people can download online

but only for valid reasons such as grocery shopping, important work-related stuff, so no more activity there like going to bars, restaurants, cinema, concerts

[caprimint]

Not really

People just need to be more logical about who they're around (don't see older relatives etc) and the older people/people who are at risk of corona need to isolate themselves. It's going to be a massive disaster if there is nothing open and everybody is stuck inside their houses for 24 hours a day even when all the businesses remain open...