[Niamh.]

Anyone watch this? Thoughts? I see the women are getting a bit of a hard time on social media for being gullible. I can kind of see where people are coming from but it is still a bit Victim Blamey. He clearly picked his targets well and was very good at what he did

[MTVN]

I've heard it talked about a lot but not seen it yet, is it worth watching?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've heard it talked about a lot but not seen it yet, is it worth watching?

Yeah I enjoyed it, It's a pretty bizarre story.

[LeatherTrumpet]

When serial killers get fan mail and marriage requests things like this are no surprise

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When serial killers get fan mail and marriage requests things like this are no surprise

... and prison visits !


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[Oliver_W]

If he found people stupid enough to give him money like that, then all power to him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If he found people stupid enough to give him money like that, then all power to him.

Really? That's pretty harsh. You could say that about any fraudsters - people who con elderly people out of money, those phone scams etc Yeah, you might think "oh I'd never fall for something like that" and maybe you wouldn't (and I don't think I would either) but that doesn't make it OK. It doesn't make it OK to lie to people to get money from them and it's certainly against the law to "borrow" money from someone and then not pay it back, which is what he did even if you accept that it's their own fault for believing the lies about why he needed to borrow it.

[Cherie]

watched this over the weekend, and I was going to make a thread about it, two things stood out for me

Spoiler:

with regard to Cecile, she met him in a 5* hotel and then immediately went home to pack and jump on a plane with a few other people she knew nothing about? would she have done that if she had met the guy in a pub and he asked her to jump in his beat up old motor with a few other people and drive to some random place in the UK, I think not! I think they were blinded by his wealth and he obviously had a great eye for picking his victims,

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

watched this over the weekend, and I was going to make a thread about it, two things stood out for me

Spoiler:

with regard to Cecile, she met him in a 5* hotel and then immediately went home to pack and jump on a plane with a few other people she knew nothing about? would she have done that if she had met the guy in a pub and he asked her to jump in his beat up old motor with a few other people and drive to some random place in the UK, I think not! I think they were blinded by his wealth and he obviously had a great eye for picking his victims,

Spoiler:

Yeah, I agree with that. I did think, wow, straight from a first cup of coffee to skipping the country?! Him being rich (or you thinking he's rich) doesn't make him any safer than any other stranger you just met!

[Niamh.]

Cherie have you watched Inventing Anna yet? Looks kind of a similar-ish story. I might give that one a watch next

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cherie have you watched Inventing Anna yet? Looks kind of a similar-ish story. I might give that one a watch next

No although I was going to start it last night

[bitontheslide]

i haven't watched it yet, but there are so many examples across an entire spectrum. Trump has used similar tactics all his life and is still getting away with it

People think that attaching themselves to someone who appears to be wealthy will benefit them and it rarely does

[Cherie]

He is quite nerdy looking as well, the money was definately a factor

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He is quite nerdy looking as well, the money was definately a factor

I think it was the whole persona, the money, being well traveled, exciting and a little bit of danger

[michael21]

Might watch it at some point there to many things to watch

[LaLaLand]

This show’s title just makes me think of Tilda Swinton!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

This show’s title just makes me think of Tilda Swinton!

or Tilda Rice

[Toy Soldier]

It was definitely interesting - left a few unanswered questions for me though, I don't know that we got the full story, there are a few holes in it in my opinion.

My biggest one being, how were the credit card companies being duped into handing out platinum cards with six figure limits off the back of a few presumably entirely fabricated payslips as proof of income?

The second being that it said at the end the women were "still paying off these debts"... When credit cards are supposed to be protected against all sorts of fraud .

And the question of "the lady on the plane" was never answered.

In general though yeah the story really is about materialism all round. Him shaping his entire life around being this fake entity just for the lifestyle. The women he duped were definitely brought under the spell by the money and lifestyle also... There were no broken hearts here, just broken credit and smashed dreams of a wealthy life.

I say that without judgement really. And I don't think they were gullible, the way he was running it made it all completely plausible, he was flying each of them around in private jets for months before taking any money from them... Of course they would believe he was who he said he was.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was definitely interesting - left a few unanswered questions for me though, I don't know that we got the full story, there are a few holes in it in my opinion.

My biggest one being, how were the credit card companies being duped into handing out platinum cards with six figure limits off the back of a few presumably entirely fabricated payslips as proof of income?

The second being that it said at the end the women were "still paying off these debts"... When credit cards are supposed to be protected against all sorts of fraud .

And the question of "the lady on the plane" was never answered.

In general though yeah the story really is about materialism all round. Him shaping his entire life around being this fake entity just for the lifestyle. The women he duped were definitely brought under the spell by the money and lifestyle also... There were no broken hearts here, just broken credit and smashed dreams of a wealthy life.

I say that without judgement really. And I don't think they were gullible, the way he was running it made it all completely plausible, he was flying each of them around in private jets for months before taking any money from them... Of course they would believe he was who he said he was.

I did wonder how these women got such fast and easy access to all those platinum credit cards and loans for cash. They must have already had pretty decent jobs

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did wonder how these women got such fast and easy access to all those platinum credit cards and loans for cash. They must have already had pretty decent jobs

They said he created "fake" jobs for them with the diamond company and provided payslips in their name showing 6-figure salaries... But that doesnt sound right, surely it's not that easy .

[Cherie]

I think he picked well to do ladies as well, I don’t think any of them worked in Greggs

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They said he created "fake" jobs for them with the diamond company and provided payslips in their name showing 6-figure salaries... But that doesnt sound right, surely it's not that easy .

As long as they had a good credit history, I don’t think it would be an issue

[bitontheslide]

the banks don't really care A handful of fraudulent pay slips is just written off, and as the woman were party to the fraud (they must have submitted the applications) they will be libel for repaying the money.

I actually know this because an ex took out a loan in my name after we had separated, and i had to cough up the cash or my credit history would be stuffed