[Redway]

I know The Slim Reaper’s on the low-key look-out for a Mother-Theresa/M.T.-special thread from my ends (d.w., it’s coming) but in the meantime I thought it would be a good idea to see what people on here think about the idea expressed in the title (i.e., the queen’s apparent hand in colonialism being a good reason for black people, etc., to not want-to actually mourn her death or generally feel particularly-upset about it). Normally I’d say that in-depth discussions about race-specific topics are best-reserved for the respective individual communities who are actually directly-affected by whatever the racial-issue is but when a worldwide figure’s being labelled a covert-racist/corresponding-enabler across social-media (not even just-Twitter) discussion of that notion does need-to be entertained by everyone who has an active opinion on the Queen/monarchical totality, IMO.

[rusticgal]

People of any colour or nationality have a right to deal with the Queens passing in a certain way…

[Redway]

Personally I understand both perspectives (and at the end-of-the-day there are people more-opposed to official respect for the queen’s passing just-because weekend-footie’s been cancelled) but I just feel like she was too-much of a formidable and loyal character overall for her memory to be post-humously tainted by the fact that the monarchy she was under was (directly or indirectly) responsible for certain colonial mishaps. Plus there are some people out there who’ll say anything on social-media for clout/a reaction under the projected guise of sentimental morality so it’s just one of those things. One-way-or-the-other, people of any race who think her death is something to actively-celebrate are disgusting.

[The Slim Reaper]

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

[Redway]

@ The Slim Reaper. I don’t know why Oliver’s post was included in that quote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Redway

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

Personally speaking, people can say anything bad about whoever they want to, especially if the person in question has put themselves under public scrutiny.

However again with Mandela, it's very easy for those people that you're on about to call him a terrorist when they're not being treated like a piece of **** in their own country, and democracy wasn't really available to Mandela at the time.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Personally I understand both perspectives (and at the end-of-the-day there are people more-opposed to official respect for the queen’s passing just-because weekend-footie’s been cancelled) but I just feel like she was too-much of a formidable and loyal character overall for her memory to be post-humously tainted by the fact that the monarchy she was under was (directly or indirectly) responsible for certain colonial mishaps. Plus there are some people out there who’ll say anything on social-media for clout/a reaction under the projected guise of sentimental morality so it’s just one of those things. One-way-or-the-other, people of any race who think her death is something to actively-celebrate are disgusting.

Tbf it's not just the Football that's been cancelled.

I agree with your post in particular near the end.

[LeatherTrumpet]

and then compare to the race-baiting spineless Trevor Sinclair tweet he had to
grovelingly apologise for when he shat himself that he would get sacked from
TS

[Oliver_W]

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

For once I 100%-agree with you. I’ve seen people on Insta. posting non-stop venom about the Queen and that’s just beyond the bounds of acceptability/propriety. Why wait until the queen dies to paint her out like Adolf-Hitler if you’ve always seen her as an evil colonial enabler?

[Mystic Mock]

Imo Elizabeth can't be blamed for stuff that Politicians did.

Even I've got to say that's incredibly harsh on anyone that puts that on her.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Imo Elizabeth can't be blamed for stuff that Politicians did.

Even I've got to say that's incredibly harsh on anyone that puts that on her.

Plus as I've already said ..if she started refusing point blank on political decisions, then it would lead to her abdicating & Constitutional crisis.

She had to remain impartial, she probably gave advice ,and she would have disagreed on stuff . But there's no way she could have been allowed to be too opinionated.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Plus as I've already said ..if she started refusing point blank on political decisions, then it would lead to her abdicating & Constitutional crisis.

She had to remain impartial, she probably gave advice ,and she would have disagreed on stuff . But there's no way she could have been allowed to be too opinionated.

Exactly.

[LeatherTrumpet]

ooft

[bitontheslide]

What that woman said could be considered hate speech, so she may be in a bit of bother

[Kazanne]

It's disgusting,to wish that on a lady who has served her country,so tirelessly, says more about her than the Queen.

[LeatherTrumpet]

hopefully, this will end her career

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully, this will end her career

Again, I don’t think it should come to that but one way or another she does need to face-up to the seriousness of what she said.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully, this will end her career

As I said when I shared her tweet, it would be a crying shame if she faced professional repercussions for the tweet. Idiocy on Twitter ending jobs isn't a good thing no matter who it happens to.

Short of calling for violence people should be free to say what they want.

Her Uni agrees - I don't have the quote to hand, but a tweet of theirs distanced themselves from what she said, while defending her right to say it.

[bitontheslide]

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic response

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic response

She wouldn't have gotten a sympathetic response no matter how she put it let's be real