[Thotmas]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....-ring-13008082

[arista]

Yes I think LT posted them
on the Scottish Politics thread


Lock them Up.


Evil.


They were on all the news today

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I think LT posted them
on the Scottish Politics thread


Lock them Up.


Evil.


They were on all the news today

Scottish politics thread? Have you got the link please?

[UserSince2005]

media are loving splashing these pictures everywhere.

[Thotmas]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

media are loving splashing these pictures everywhere.

True

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Tuesday 14 November 2023

2 years ago??

[Parmy]

Vile beasts got sentenced today.

Hard to watch video from sky.

https://youtu.be/1JMAYoXf-PI?si=1A8TxiA0zCN0oen0

[Oliver_W]

I can't say I agree with the death penalty, but I wouldn't care about this scum being shanked.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can't say I agree with the death penalty, but I wouldn't care about this scum being shanked.

You know its coming..

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....-ring-13008082

Is there a woman in that picture?

I will be careful with what I'm about to say, as I nearly said something that might've got me in trouble on here.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there a woman in that picture?

I will be careful with what I'm about to say, as I nearly said something that might've got me in trouble on here.

There were two or three women involved...

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There were two or three women involved...

Some of the others in that picture were women?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Some of the others in that picture were women?

There are more than just those six!

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are more than just those six!

Oh.

That's horrible to think about.

I swear that Paedophiles come the closest in recent times for me to champion for the Death Penalty.

I don't actually want it back (although I did have a different opinion years ago,) but Child Molesters to be exact really push my limit.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there a woman in that picture?

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

That would make sense tbf.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That would make sense tbf.

Fred and Rosemary West

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

Yes women are often involved in the "luring/recruiting" process - less often that there's a sexual motivation, sometimes it's coercion and manipulation from a partner. Sometimes it's just for personal gain (money). TBH looking at the Glasgow gang pictures I wouldn't be surprised if the same ring was also dealing, and the payment was free drugs.

[user104658]

Not to bring things back to Tommy Robbo land, but it is worth pointing out that this gang will have been much larger than these individuals, there will be many of these gangs in Glasgow, and many more all across the UK. The issue, disgustingly, is RIFE - and while yes there is an issue in some towns specifically with Pakistani grooming gangs, focussing too heavily on that part of it has the side-effect of people mistakenly believing that it's "just those immigrant blokes from other cultures" who are the problem and the focus becomes only that ... ... distracting from the fact that most of these gangs are, at the very least, made up of all sorts of people. All races, all social classes. The profile of the gang will more likely align with the population of the area more than anything else - clear example here. It's Glasgow, and the gang members are (let's just be frank here) white junkies.

Always been part of my point really - I'd never argue that asian grooming gangs aren't a problem or shouldn't have been tackled sooner, it's just that it's the tip of a massive iceberg that has nothing to do with race issues. These gangs are everywhere. There is no clear "profile". That is the scandal... the scale of it is huge.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Not to bring things back to Tommy Robbo land, but it is worth pointing out that this gang will have been much larger than these individuals, there will be many of these gangs in Glasgow, and many more all across the UK. The issue, disgustingly, is RIFE - and while yes there is an issue in some towns specifically with Pakistani grooming gangs, focussing too heavily on that part of it has the side-effect of people mistakenly believing that it's "just those immigrant blokes from other cultures" who are the problem and the focus becomes only that ... ... distracting from the fact that most of these gangs are, at the very least, made up of all sorts of people. All races, all social classes. The profile of the gang will more likely align with the population of the area more than anything else - clear example here. It's Glasgow, and the gang members are (let's just be frank here) white junkies.

Always been part of my point really - I'd never argue that asian grooming gangs aren't a problem or shouldn't have been tackled sooner, it's just that it's the tip of a massive iceberg that has nothing to do with race issues. These gangs are everywhere. There is no clear "profile". That is the scandal... the scale of it is huge.

I do wonder how many Paedophiles are really out there in the world?

Because it feels like there's an awful lot that get caught by law enforcement, and normally the number is significantly higher for any criminal offense when you factor in the people that get away with it.

I know that I'm being hyperbolic when I say this, but it does feel like Paedophiles are everywhere in society.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I do wonder how many Paedophiles are really out there in the world?

Because it feels like there's an awful lot that get caught by law enforcement, and normally the number is significantly higher for any criminal offense when you factor in the people that get away with it.

I know that I'm being hyperbolic when I say this, but it does feel like Paedophiles are everywhere in society.

Its impossible to even guess at the number unfortunately because simply put, many paedophiles will never act on it, or even look up child porn, and will likely never even tell those closest to them. And that's why any attempt to "normalise" it in society is a huge problem. The horrible reality is that if it was socially acceptable and legal there would be a lot more.

[Parmy]

If it's not race issues then why do the pakistani grooming gangs only target white kids?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

If it's not race issues then why do the pakistani grooming gangs only target white kids?

I'm not saying that there aren't cultural issues within those specific gangs, I'll quote my own post from previous thread on this even;

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Its a little more complicated than that unfortunately; a genuine part of the issue is ideas and attitudes towards (specifically) western women that men who are born and raised in a quite insular culture are exposed to from a young age, i.e. High exposure to a sort of "myth" that young white women are sexually available and sexually interested.

I do understand that mechanism.

And my point also isn't that the existence of other grooming gangs "cancels out" the existence of Pakistani grooming gangs or makes that issue in itself any less important or any less in need of tackling; my point is that public chatter (and media coverage) only talking about those as examples leads a lot of people who aren't aware of the scale of the problem, to be blind to the whole problem, when 90% of grooming gangs (and 99% of sex trafficking and sexual exploitation) is not a race issue. Should every one of those grooming gangs be wiped from the face of the planet - absolutely. Would achieving that end the problem - no, it would only be a small gain in something much bigger.

We only have so much in terms of resources, so the focus CAN'T be on one specific "type" of child sexual exploitation and firing every available resource at that one problem, and reporting on it in a way that makes it sound like that's the bigger problem or the biggest "part" of the overall problem.

People at this point are very aware of things like Rotherham, but are still shocked (or simply don't believe it) when they discover that these sorts of things are happening absolutely everywhere, and because people aren't aware of that, they aren't looking out for it happening on their doorstep. "There's no Pakistani grooming gangs in my village we'd have noticed" - sure very good - would you have noticed if there's one being run by Bob next door and Ted three doors down? Because it's far less unlikely than people think. Horribly.

[Livia]

Why do people think because there are white grooming gangs, that cancels out the Pakistani gangs? It's a deep, profound misunderstanding of what's gone on and whataboutery at it's finest. In my view they should all be put out of their misery.

[Parmy]

Do you think it could be argued that the constant mentioning of paedophillia on the news in modern times and the avenues, such as gaming etc that offer an adult contact with a child may actually draw people towards it, who wouldn't have given it a 2nd thought without these prompts?