[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you mean? Like make people who aren't paedophiles into paedophiles? No, I would seriously doubt that

Just look at these people involved in this case though.

Are we to believe all these people had paedophille thoughts before they all realised they were the same..or did some only realise once surrounded by the others involved.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Just look at these people involved in this case though.

Are we to believe all these people had paedophille thoughts before they all realised they were the same..or did some only realise once surrounded by the others involved.

Birds of a feather I guess, these kinds of people tend to gravitate towards each other

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Birds of a feather I guess, these kinds of people tend to gravitate towards each other

But it's not really a discussion you would have though is it..

Hey. Hi. Are you a paedo? Yes, yes I am.

Ok do you mind if I hang out with you?


I mean, how on earth would you start that conversation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

But it's not really a discussion you would have though is it..

Hey. Hi. Are you a paedo? Yes, yes I am.

Ok do you mind if I hang out with you?


I mean, how on earth would you start that conversation.

I would imagine it starts out more subtlety than that

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would imagine it starts out more subtlety than that

Anyway...thanks for the read today on many topics everyone. Very interesting viewpoints. Much appreciated.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would imagine it starts out more subtlety than that

Online/Darkweb groups mostly these days, I would think.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Not to bring things back to Tommy Robbo land, but it is worth pointing out that this gang will have been much larger than these individuals, there will be many of these gangs in Glasgow, and many more all across the UK. The issue, disgustingly, is RIFE - and while yes there is an issue in some towns specifically with Pakistani grooming gangs, focussing too heavily on that part of it has the side-effect of people mistakenly believing that it's "just those immigrant blokes from other cultures" who are the problem and the focus becomes only that ... ... distracting from the fact that most of these gangs are, at the very least, made up of all sorts of people. All races, all social classes. The profile of the gang will more likely align with the population of the area more than anything else - clear example here. It's Glasgow, and the gang members are (let's just be frank here) white junkies.

Always been part of my point really - I'd never argue that asian grooming gangs aren't a problem or shouldn't have been tackled sooner, it's just that it's the tip of a massive iceberg that has nothing to do with race issues. These gangs are everywhere. There is no clear "profile". That is the scandal... the scale of it is huge.

I do wonder how many Paedophiles are really out there in the world?

Because it feels like there's an awful lot that get caught by law enforcement, and normally the number is significantly higher for any criminal offense when you factor in the people that get away with it.

I know that I'm being hyperbolic when I say this, but it does feel like Paedophiles are everywhere in society.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you think it could be argued that the constant mentioning of paedophillia on the news in modern times and the avenues, such as gaming etc that offer an adult contact with a child may actually draw people towards it, who wouldn't have given it a 2nd thought without these prompts?

I don't think that's the case.

I'm no expert on the topic, but I would imagine that Paedophiles end up becoming what they become through experiences during their childhood.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

But it's not really a discussion you would have though is it..

Hey. Hi. Are you a paedo? Yes, yes I am.

Ok do you mind if I hang out with you?


I mean, how on earth would you start that conversation.

It's like how rapists and murderers sometimes team up with each other.

Some people are just sadistic, and they end up finding likeminded people.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Beso

But it's not really a discussion you would have though is it..

Hey. Hi. Are you a paedo? Yes, yes I am.

Ok do you mind if I hang out with you?


I mean, how on earth would you start that conversation.

it's like how huw edwards, pete townsend and Gary glitter did it. Townsend got caught on the dark net "doing research" on child porn sites and so it goes on.

If you have an obsession with something, you find a way of satisfying that. That will lead you to groups of similarly thinking people, because they all have the same obsession

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

it's like how huw edwards, pete townsend and Gary glitter did it. Townsend got caught on the dark net "doing research" on child porn sites and so it goes on.

If you have an obsession with something, you find a way of satisfying that. That will lead you to groups of similarly thinking people, because they all have the same obsession

…because of the recent story, it also makes me think of the mass rape of Gisele Pelicot and the site that the men who raped her gathered on…in the court they’d said that there was consent from the husband so for them, it hadn’t been rape…?…but it was also revealed of the ‘key words and phrases’ that led them to what they did…’without her consent’ was a phrase that was used and obviously drew them in so how could they plead an ignorance to rape…I read that there was a journalist who joined that same site as a 15yr old girl and they were flooded with sexual content messages…I would say that these sites exist because of the people who exist who are drawn to them and when one closes down, which the one used in the Pelicot case did…?…there will always be another, sadly…

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I do wonder how many Paedophiles are really out there in the world?

Because it feels like there's an awful lot that get caught by law enforcement, and normally the number is significantly higher for any criminal offense when you factor in the people that get away with it.

I know that I'm being hyperbolic when I say this, but it does feel like Paedophiles are everywhere in society.

Its impossible to even guess at the number unfortunately because simply put, many paedophiles will never act on it, or even look up child porn, and will likely never even tell those closest to them. And that's why any attempt to "normalise" it in society is a huge problem. The horrible reality is that if it was socially acceptable and legal there would be a lot more.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there a woman in that picture?

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

That would make sense tbf.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That would make sense tbf.

Fred and Rosemary West

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Going back to your surprise there were women involved; they probably played a similar role to Ghillin Maxwell to Epstein, Amanda Palmer to Neil Gaiman, and god knows how many cases in Hollywood.


* allegedly, allegedly, wait for court outcomes, etc etc.

Yes women are often involved in the "luring/recruiting" process - less often that there's a sexual motivation, sometimes it's coercion and manipulation from a partner. Sometimes it's just for personal gain (money). TBH looking at the Glasgow gang pictures I wouldn't be surprised if the same ring was also dealing, and the payment was free drugs.