[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....-ring-13008082

[arista]

Yes I think LT posted them
on the Scottish Politics thread


Lock them Up.


Evil.


They were on all the news today

[UserSince2005]

media are loving splashing these pictures everywhere.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I think LT posted them
on the Scottish Politics thread


Lock them Up.


Evil.


They were on all the news today

Scottish politics thread? Have you got the link please?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

media are loving splashing these pictures everywhere.

True

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tuesday 14 November 2023

2 years ago??

[Beso]

Vile beasts got sentenced today.

Hard to watch video from sky.

https://youtu.be/1JMAYoXf-PI?si=1A8TxiA0zCN0oen0

[Oliver_W]

I can't say I agree with the death penalty, but I wouldn't care about this scum being shanked.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can't say I agree with the death penalty, but I wouldn't care about this scum being shanked.

You know its coming..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....-ring-13008082

Is there a woman in that picture?

I will be careful with what I'm about to say, as I nearly said something that might've got me in trouble on here.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is there a woman in that picture?

I will be careful with what I'm about to say, as I nearly said something that might've got me in trouble on here.

There were two or three women involved...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There were two or three women involved...

Some of the others in that picture were women?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Some of the others in that picture were women?

There are more than just those six!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are more than just those six!

Oh.

That's horrible to think about.

I swear that Paedophiles come the closest in recent times for me to champion for the Death Penalty.

I don't actually want it back (although I did have a different opinion years ago,) but Child Molesters to be exact really push my limit.

[Quantum Boy]

Not to bring things back to Tommy Robbo land, but it is worth pointing out that this gang will have been much larger than these individuals, there will be many of these gangs in Glasgow, and many more all across the UK. The issue, disgustingly, is RIFE - and while yes there is an issue in some towns specifically with Pakistani grooming gangs, focussing too heavily on that part of it has the side-effect of people mistakenly believing that it's "just those immigrant blokes from other cultures" who are the problem and the focus becomes only that ... ... distracting from the fact that most of these gangs are, at the very least, made up of all sorts of people. All races, all social classes. The profile of the gang will more likely align with the population of the area more than anything else - clear example here. It's Glasgow, and the gang members are (let's just be frank here) white junkies.

Always been part of my point really - I'd never argue that asian grooming gangs aren't a problem or shouldn't have been tackled sooner, it's just that it's the tip of a massive iceberg that has nothing to do with race issues. These gangs are everywhere. There is no clear "profile". That is the scandal... the scale of it is huge.

[Beso]

If it's not race issues then why do the pakistani grooming gangs only target white kids?

[Livia]

Why do people think because there are white grooming gangs, that cancels out the Pakistani gangs? It's a deep, profound misunderstanding of what's gone on and whataboutery at it's finest. In my view they should all be put out of their misery.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

If it's not race issues then why do the pakistani grooming gangs only target white kids?

I'm not saying that there aren't cultural issues within those specific gangs, I'll quote my own post from previous thread on this even;

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Its a little more complicated than that unfortunately; a genuine part of the issue is ideas and attitudes towards (specifically) western women that men who are born and raised in a quite insular culture are exposed to from a young age, i.e. High exposure to a sort of "myth" that young white women are sexually available and sexually interested.

I do understand that mechanism.

And my point also isn't that the existence of other grooming gangs "cancels out" the existence of Pakistani grooming gangs or makes that issue in itself any less important or any less in need of tackling; my point is that public chatter (and media coverage) only talking about those as examples leads a lot of people who aren't aware of the scale of the problem, to be blind to the whole problem, when 90% of grooming gangs (and 99% of sex trafficking and sexual exploitation) is not a race issue. Should every one of those grooming gangs be wiped from the face of the planet - absolutely. Would achieving that end the problem - no, it would only be a small gain in something much bigger.

We only have so much in terms of resources, so the focus CAN'T be on one specific "type" of child sexual exploitation and firing every available resource at that one problem, and reporting on it in a way that makes it sound like that's the bigger problem or the biggest "part" of the overall problem.

People at this point are very aware of things like Rotherham, but are still shocked (or simply don't believe it) when they discover that these sorts of things are happening absolutely everywhere, and because people aren't aware of that, they aren't looking out for it happening on their doorstep. "There's no Pakistani grooming gangs in my village we'd have noticed" - sure very good - would you have noticed if there's one being run by Bob next door and Ted three doors down? Because it's far less unlikely than people think. Horribly.

[Beso]

Do you think it could be argued that the constant mentioning of paedophillia on the news in modern times and the avenues, such as gaming etc that offer an adult contact with a child may actually draw people towards it, who wouldn't have given it a 2nd thought without these prompts?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you think it could be argued that the constant mentioning of paedophillia on the news in modern times may actually draw people towards it?

How do you mean? Like make people who aren't paedophiles into paedophiles? No, I would seriously doubt that

[Beso]

Like a lot about paedophillia is the adult becoming infatuated with the child, and with ever increasing avenues for adults to have contact with children then the chances of an adult becoming infatuated with a child has increased ten fold in recent memory.

[bots]

we are all kidding ourselves. These gangs have been around forever. There are so many of them that the problem will never be resolved. All that is happening is that the stupid ones, that think their untouchable have been thrown to the wolves in order to protect the other gangs that continue as usual

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you mean? Like make people who aren't paedophiles into paedophiles? No, I would seriously doubt that

I would definitely doubt that anyone could be "tempted into being a rapist/paedophile" by hearing about paedophilia.

I suppose there might be some element of truth in saying that a heavy media focus on their existence could result in people seeking them out. I don't know that there's any evidence of that though (as in, I don't know if anyone ever tried to evidence that link).

I do know that there's often an assumption that if the general public isn't being informed and updated constantly about things like this, then that means "nothing is being done", when that often isn't the case and in fact too much public scrutiny can end up damaging ongoing investigations. "Everyone talking about it" doesn't end these groups, it pushes them further under-ground and makes them focus even more on covering their tracks, which makes them even harder to bust. Why anyone believes that average folks on the street being kept informed about investigations into sex trafficking would be of any benefit whatsoever to those investigations, I do not know. But really I think it's just that people firmly believe that they have a "right to be kept informed" either way, even if it's a detriment.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

Like a lot about paedophillia is the adult becoming infatuated with the child, and with ever increasing avenues for adults to have contact with children then the chances of an adult becoming infatuated with a child has increased ten fold in recent memory.

An adult becoming infatuated with a child hasn't "turned into" a paedophile... they were already a paedophile.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Like a lot about paedophillia is the adult becoming infatuated with the child, and with ever increasing avenues for adults to have contact with children then the chances of an adult becoming infatuated with a child has increased ten fold in recent memory.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

An adult becoming infatuated with a child hasn't "turned into" a paedophile... they were already a paedophile.

Yeah, I think the online world has made access to children easier for paedophiles for sure and I think paedophiles will always seek out ways, loopholes, careers that give them easier access to children but I don't think people are turned into paedophiles just from being around children