[thesheriff443]

How much trust do you have in the police?
have you seen any examples of the police not being a 100% truthful?

have you ever witnessed the police acting out side of their duty?

[Samm]

A lot of trust

[thesheriff443]

i don't have a lot of trust in the police, you can have bad people working as police men and women.
the police are just humans doing a job, not all of them are good at it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i don't have a lot of trust in the police, you can have bad people working as police men and women.
the police are just humans doing a job, not all of them are good at it.

..yeah, I agree but I think to not have a lot of trust in them is dismissing that there is a lot of good because for me, humans are more good than bad...and obviously, if people had a bad personal experience or personally know of one/some then that would effect their judgement...but I think it's like, say if it was a doctor/surgeon that you needed...because you may have no choice but to believe in that person at that particular time, then that's what you do..or a paramedic that you had no choice but to trust..?..a fireman..?..whatever you need and is vital to you at the time....and most of the time, it's a good outcome..(if a good outcome is possible..)...and the police have often 'saved' people/helped people who desperately needed them at the time...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I agree but I think to not have a lot of trust in them is dismissing that there is a lot of good because for me, humans are more good than bad...and obviously, if people had a bad personal experience or personally know of one/some then that would effect their judgement...but I think it's like, say if it was a doctor/surgeon that you needed...because you may have no choice but to believe in that person at that particular time, then that's what you do..or a paramedic that you had no choice but to trust..?..a fireman..?..whatever you need and is vital to you at the time....and most of the time, it's a good outcome..(if a good outcome is possible..)...and the police have often 'saved' people/helped people who desperately needed them at the time...

i agree in parts, there are many good police men and women in the police force, but from what i have seen first hand, there are also some bad ones that misuse their powers and cover up their mistakes.

we should never be afraid to question what is being said or done.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i agree in parts, there are many good police men and women in the police force, but from what i have seen first hand, there are also some bad ones that misuse their powers and cover up their mistakes.

we should never be afraid to question what is being said or done.

..yeah, of course there are bad ones but for me, it's a thing of still believing in them while not being 'delusional' that they're perfect ....

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, of course there are bad ones but for me, it's a thing of still believing in them while not being 'delusional' that they're perfect ....

of course, don't get me wrong we need the police, but from being out with serving police that are off duty in the past and being on the other side of the fence, you get to see a different side.

[Brother Leon]

Too many bad experiences with dickheads that has twins my image of them all unfortunately.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Too many bad experiences with dickheads that has twins my image of them all unfortunately.

..yeah, I think we've had a similar thread before and I know you have some really disturbing stories, I still believe in the police force for all the people they help but I think it's also really important to realise that there are some extremely prejudiced/aggressive members of the force, dreadfully abusing their position and authority...

[Niamh.]

There's good and bad in every profession but in general I would say they do a great job and I have a lot of trust in them. It's not an easy job either and not everyone could do it

[MTVN]

I personally have never had any bad experiences with the police and think most of them are just doing their best in a difficult job, would say we have a lot more trustworthy police force than most other countries as well even in the developed world

I can see why a lot of people don't though and there's been quite a few things recently which will have decreased trust in the force as a whole; all the stuff that's come out about Hillsborough, what happened in the Stephen Lawrence case, the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting, the Mark Duggan shooting, and most recently the Andrew Mitchell plebgate stuff. It seems they have been guilty of fabricating or meddling with key evidence on quite a few occasions, I read quite a good article on it about a month back: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-anarchy.html

[GiRTh]

Dont like them. I think they are recruiting the wrong kind of people and too many people make excuses for them.

[Kizzy]

There are rotten apples in the barrel granted, I have the greatest respect for all public services.
Then again I'm not a criminal or a politician with an agenda am I?
The police were for years used as militia by conservative governments and referred to as a 'police force' a tool of the state, during the Brixton and Toxteth riots, Hillsboro, the miners strike, and the Stephen Laurence murder.
What happens when the police no longer wish to be part of the political strategy?..... They get discredited, set up and set on.
However the 'police service' that most of us experience in our communities is invaluable.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I personally have never had any bad experiences with the police and think most of them are just doing their best in a difficult job, would say we have a lot more trustworthy police force than most other countries as well even in the developed world

I can see why a lot of people don't though and there's been quite a few things recently which will have decreased trust in the force as a whole; all the stuff that's come out about Hillsborough, what happened in the Stephen Lawrence case, the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting, the Mark Duggan shooting, and most recently the Andrew Mitchell plebgate stuff. It seems they have been guilty of fabricating or meddling with key evidence on quite a few occasions, I read quite a good article on it about a month back: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-anarchy.html

Thats an excellent article. Seems police corruption is more prevalent than people think. I liked that they pointed out Andrew Mitchell had the means to get amazing assistance in clearing his name but someone from a council estate with no great connections would never be taken seriously. And, even more disturbing, the police involved received no disciplinary action.

[Roy Mars III]

99% of them are great. A lot of them are dickheads, but I would take the police dickheads over the criminal dickheads

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Thats an excellent article. Seems police corruption is more prevalent than people think. I liked that they pointed out Andrew Mitchell had the means to get amazing assistance in clearing his name but someone from a council estate with no great connections would never be taken seriously. And, even more disturbing, the police involved received no disciplinary action.

That article is the biggest load of tory spin I have ever had the misfortune to read.
How unfair is parliamentary privilege?... the abuse, corruption, fraud and lies perpetuated against the police over the years?
The 30yr rule proved it wasn't the police that were responsible for failings in many high profile cases but senior politicians.
The suffering of sexual abuse victims associated with past government officials, Cyril Smith and maggies mate Savile?
Were the police at fault in their investigations?... No because there were no investigations.
Plebgate has done just what was expected and shook the confidence that middle england had in the police, they can lie but only when they are ordered to....
'Know your place!'
Those words will be ringing in everyones ears for generations.

[Natalie.]

I haven't had any bad experiences with the police. I trust them quite a bit yeah but they're just people doing a job so they're gonna stuff up now and again.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That article is the biggest load of tory spin I have ever had the misfortune to read.
How unfair is parliamentary privilege?... the abuse, corruption, fraud and lies perpetuated against the police over the years?
The 30yr rule proved it wasn't the police that were responsible for failings in many high profile cases but senior politicians.
The suffering of sexual abuse victims associated with past government officials, Cyril Smith and maggies mate Savile?
Were the police at fault in their investigations?... No because there were no investigations.
Plebgate has done just what was expected and shook the confidence that middle england had in the police, they can lie but only when they are ordered to....
'Know your place!'
Those words will be ringing in everyones ears for generations.

I have no doubt all that is true but I thought we were discussing the police?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I have no doubt all that is true but I thought we were discussing the police?

We are, you have to look at the bigger picture though don't you?
Otherwise you end up wirh a cockeyed perception of the truth.
The establishment are answerable, it appears to be a political decision as to what they are answerable for.
They also have to be held accountable, although if their hands are tied on issues that have political connotations that seems unfair as far as I can see.
We are discussing the police but the two are inextricably linked.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We are, you have to look at the bigger picture though don't you?
Otherwise you end up wirh a cockeyed perception of the truth.
The establishment are answerable, it appears to be a political decision as to what they are answerable for.
They also have to be held accountable, although if their hands are tied on issues that have political connotations that seems unfair as far as I can see.
We are discussing the police but the two are inextricably linked.

I'm aware of that but thank you for enlightening me.

On another day we can discuss the link between Politics and the police but in this thread I thought we were discussing how much we trust the police?

[Stu]

Our own Gardai are a lot more straight forward and kind of have a more simplistic past than your Police over there.

They're generally fine, decent people but there is a complete lack of trust in this country not in their character but their effectiveness. They are seen almost as a half arsed, fairy kind of community watch outfit and not a force with any sort of force whatsoever. They're relentlessly caricatured as being kind of dim country bumpkin sorts.

In short people don't really call them out. You're more likely to call a Garda out for some trivial thing like your neighbor parking in your space than you are for an actual bit of drama like some guy with a knife shooting on down the road. You call your friends for that sort of thing and have a gossip about it.

But I've always kind of thought of them as nice blokes and beneath all the fun it is to make fun of them when I'm walking home properly blotto on my own and I see them about I'm glad.

That never happens though. Because barely any of them ever seem to be about. Oh yeah we're also incredibly sexist towards the female ones. It's actually shocking. They're seen as pretend.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'm aware of that but thank you for enlightening me.

On another day we can discuss the link between Politics and the police but in this thread I thought we were discussing how much we trust the police?

Don't patronise me please, I would rather you didn't dictate the content of my posts either.
If you don't want to debate the specifics of my opinion don't quote me.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't patronise me please, I would rather you didn't dictate the content of my posts either.
If you don't want to debate the specifics of my opinion don't quote me.

WHy did you quote me in the first place? I didnt provide the initial link to the article.

[Kizzy]

I didn't say you had, I quoted you as I had a different perspective to your interpretation of it is all.
I didn't tell you what you could or couldn't add to the debate iirc.

[GiRTh]

How nice of you but if you want that discussion that have it with whoever supplied the initial link. I thought we were discussing the police in this thread.