[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom*

How dare she miss and show affection to her mother? WHAT A MONSTER

Not a monster. Just sad. But we knew that already with her "Page free bewbs was art" speech.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Showing affection is one thing. Clinging to her as if she is the last lifejacket on the titanic whilst bawling your eyes out is quite another.

If i'd been locked away for 4 weeks without any real contact and see someone familiar and that you love I would of reacted the same and expect more to.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Showing affection is one thing. Clinging to her as if she is the last lifejacket on the titanic whilst bawling your eyes out is quite another.

Genuinely surprised that getting emotional over seeing her mother is somehow being spun into a negative to use against her.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Genuinely surprised that getting emotional over seeing her mother is somehow being spun into a negative to use against her.

I am also.

[mdook]

People has to decide whether they want another horrible housemate like Bear to win BB same as Helen Wood some years ago.For me we should not tolerate and make winners to those who are vile and ill-mannered.Do not make these vile people as winners.Renee is the only one who deserve to win as she was the only one who stood up to bear terrible bad behaviour.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by mdook

People has to decide whether they want another horrible housemate like Bear to win BB same as Helen Wood some years ago.For me we should not tolerate and make winners to those who are vile and ill-mannered.Do not make these vile people as winners.Renee is the only one who deserve to win as she was the only one who stood up to bear terrible bad behaviour.

I find it a strange logic to think that Renee has been any less 'vile' than Bear. The long string of names that she's called him "low-life" etc (I can't remember them all) is worse than anything he's ever said to or about her. Her jealous look isn't pretty and doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

[Vicky.]

Not negative as such...just very OTT in my opinion

[ThriceShy]

Sam is as false as it gets. Wouldn't surprise me if all this mum stuff was a ploy to get more votes. We heard her the other night saying that the public call her "our sam" etc. She is trying to portray the wholesome girl image and it is bollocks.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Like Marnie is 'blinded by love', people can also be blinded by hate when they are fixated on disliking a particular housemate.

Just as some fans are blinded too then?

[Amy Jade]

I cried when I went on holiday with friends and came home and saw my mum. I literally don't care what people think of me for that, my mum is one of my best friends and I missed her so much.

Sam has had very public problems and it's likely that between those demons and losing her partner to cancer that her mum will have been her only constant and pretty much her rock, I see nothing wrong with being close to a parent and being happy to see them after not seeing them for a number of weeks.

The fact she's being dragged for it is sad imo

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Just as some fans are blinded too then?

Sure. Negativity is acted upon a hell of a lot more than positivity though.

[Ammi]

...maybe seen as a bit OTT in her emotions but that house has very much been one for releasing such things/such 'OTT's' with the stress of it../much more so than usual I would say with the constant purposeful goadings etc and windings up...that release when you see that person of 'comfort' in your life ...it's understandable and I would say, not something of criticism...(and Sam has had a bad/emotional week as well..)...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by mdook

People has to decide whether they want another horrible housemate like Bear to win BB same as Helen Wood some years ago.For me we should not tolerate and make winners to those who are vile and ill-mannered.Do not make these vile people as winners.Renee is the only one who deserve to win as she was the only one who stood up to bear terrible bad behaviour.

I personally don't think Bear and Helen are comparable. Bear isn't a nice guy, he likes to wind people up, is careless with other people's feelings and is entirely self-centred.

Helen Wood is a legitimately unpleasant, highly aggressive piece of work who thrived not on causing people to be just irritated or annoyed like Bear... But wanted people to be actually miserable. She was a legitimate bully who targeted people's emotional and physical insecurities.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally don't think Bear and Helen are comparable. Bear isn't a nice guy, he likes to wind people up, is careless with other people's feelings and is entirely self-centred.

Helen Wood is a legitimately unpleasant, highly aggressive piece of work who thrived not on causing people to be just irritated or annoyed like Bear... But wanted people to be actually miserable. She was a legitimate bully who targeted people's emotional and physical insecurities.

..basically and essentially what Bear has done, then...the methods may not have been identical but it is essentially the same thing ...I think for me, I may not have liked Helen as a person or found anything to admire in her but she did give us everything she was, she did 'lay herself out there'../good/bad/ugly etc and wore no masks..and that made for a level of some kind of understanding..through her life as well, as to the reasons for her bitterness with so many things ...with Bear, he's a child in maturity and everything negative in a child/the lack of ownership of anything he does and the lack of thought of anyone beyond himself...he finds buttons and pushes them just co he can and then he laughs in the face of people's hurt by what he does...he really is the grimmest of grim in a person...

[user104658]

I disagree Ammi it's not the same at all and you even outlined my reasons for thinking so. Bear is immature and self-centered. He finds superficial buttons to push for his own amusement yes, but they are basically "generalised" buttons just to irritate anyone / everyone.

Helen you got in one word. Bitter. A genuinely twisted, broken woman. She deliberately preyed on people's INDIVIDUAL hang-ups, not for amusement, not because it made her laugh (beyond a stoney faced cackle), but because she genuinely just liked to see people hurt and isolated. She wasn't immature and self centered. She was straight up cruel, hard and abusive.

Give me an immature child playing daft games causing a bit of destruction, over a deliberately spiteful and vicious adult any day of the week.

Talk to the housemates who have been in there this time, any of them, about Bear in a few years time and they'll almost certainly just laugh about what a nightmare he was to live with.

Ask half (or more) of Helen Wood's housemates what they think of her still.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I disagree Ammi it's not the same at all and you even outlined my reasons for thinking so. Bear is immature and self-centered. He finds superficial buttons to push for his own amusement yes, but they are basically "generalised" buttons just to irritate anyone / everyone.

Helen you got in one word. Bitter. A genuinely twisted, broken woman. She deliberately preyed on people's INDIVIDUAL hang-ups, not for amusement, not because it made her laugh (beyond a stoney faced cackle), but because she genuinely just liked to see people hurt and isolated. She wasn't immature and self centered. She was straight up cruel, hard and abusive.

Give me an immature child playing daft games causing a bit of destruction, over a deliberately spiteful and vicious adult any day of the week.

Talk to the housemates who have been in there this time, any of them, about Bear in a few years time and they'll almost certainly just laugh about what a nightmare he was to live with.

Ask half (or more) of Helen Wood's housemates what they think of her still.

....ughhh, I just hate it when you're right, TS....although I don't entirely know that some will when they've distanced themselves and 'played back'...but there are so many ways that they're not comparable..the comparison I think is only being looked at, at all because of two such negative houses and two houses based on 'one people shows'...both equally grim though and for me less levels of interest in Bear than I had with Helen because I could at least find some understanding with her...a child who presses buttons just for reactions will only ever get bad reactions, we will never see anything else from their targets, or very little and we'll have to filter through hard to find etc...and there is spite involved as well, the eggs and throwing around food etc is just 'daft' and thoughtless but so much of what he has done, has been deliberately targeted in spite...and in his own words, he will get people back with spite if he feels that they have wronged him in some way....strangely though, he softens with all who support his behaviour and excuse him....

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Sam is as false as it gets. Wouldn't surprise me if all this mum stuff was a ploy to get more votes. We heard her the other night saying that the public call her "our sam" etc. She is trying to portray the wholesome girl image and it is bollocks.

Or, alternatively, she genuinely missed her mother. Radical concept, I know

[Liam-]

It never fails to amaze me how nice things can be turned into negative things to suit people's agendas, shock horror, stop the press, a woman missed her mum, who had been her rock for the past year as her partner died of cancer, I'm sure the Daily Star will be fumed they didn't get the headline first.