[bots]

Spoiler:

i think some of them will make it to the end

[Smithy]

How is it spoilers when everything in his original book plot has changed just because he originally envisioned them surviving (in 1993!!) doesn’t mean they are now

[Daniel.]

Why do people presume the big battle is the third episode by the way?

[Smithy]

Because they said episode 3 is the battle at winterfell

[Daniel.]

where

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Because they said episode 3 is the battle at winterfell

Yeah, but apart from that.

[bots]

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4. The devil in me thinks that Brienne will actually do the deed and kill Jamie, protecting Arya

[Marsh.]

Smithy spoiling the show again?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

where

In interviews all over the world, go google it

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4

I think they'll end up at the Eerie in retreat at the end of E3. I think the impregnable mentions in earlier seasons about it were there for a reason.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think they'll end up at the Eerie in retreat at the end of E3. I think the impregnable mentions in earlier seasons about it were there for a reason.

You see in the trailer where they go back too

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Smithy

You see in the trailer where they go back too

I missed that. 1st or 2nd trailer?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I missed that. 1st or 2nd trailer?

First I think

[The Slim Reaper]

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think if the Night King is defeated in episode 3 and Arya and Jamie are still alive that she will attempt to take out Jamie for what he did to Bran. So at that point Arya/Jamie will be gone .... by episode 4. The devil in me thinks that Brienne will actually do the deed and kill Jamie, protecting Arya

Nah, Jaime is clearly going to grovelling apologise to Bran and Bran will be like "Who gives a **** I'm a mystic tree now lol" and that will be that.

From the trailer for ep 2 at the end of ep 1 I reckon it'll be pretty clear that they accept Jaime as an ally by the end of the ep. They make out that Dany is all "you stabbed my father" but she'll clearly be like "he was out of control killing innocent people so... Good job bud."

Also Bronn will turn up to "kill Jaime and Tyrion" but then will be like "Alright lads heads up, your sister wants you both dead". And that'll make everyone cool with Jaime.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

But that pitch had a love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion. That never happened.

Nor did badass Jamie take the iron throne after Joffrey.

https://www.hypable.com/george-r-r-m...-pitch-letter/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBDodge

But that pitch had a love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion. That never happened.

Honestly what a mess that storyline would have been .

[Tom4784]

I wouldn't say that that an outline of the plot from before GRRM even put pen to paper is particularly spoiler-ish. You can write out your outline but you'll rarely stick to it since you'll get new ideas and inspirations along the way.

The ending to my first book was planned to be completely different than what it ended up being because once I got to that ending, I was in a different place to where I was when I wrote the rough plan, lots of things ended up different, some characters that were meant to die lived, some that were meant to live ended up dying. I imagine such an outline wouldn't be so readily available if it reflected the ending that GRRM envisions today.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I wouldn't say that that an outline of the plot from before GRRM even put pen to paper is particularly spoiler-ish. You can write out your outline but you'll rarely stick to it since you'll get new ideas and inspirations along the way.

The ending to my first book was planned to be completely different than what it ended up being because once I got to that ending, I was in a different place to where I was when I wrote the rough plan, lots of things ended up different, some characters that were meant to die lived, some that were meant to live ended up dying. I imagine such an outline wouldn't be so readily available if it reflected the ending that GRRM envisions today.

You "get to know" your characters too, they become living beings with real personalities instead of just an idea, I imagine especially if you're writing them for 20+ years, so for example when he wrote that Jon and Arya get together they were just vague ideas and then when they actually were written and fleshed out he might have tried to envision a romance plot and been like "Lol neither of them would be interested!"

[BBDodge]

Coolest guitars ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU15...ature=youtu.be

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You "get to know" your characters too, they become living beings with real personalities instead of just an idea, I imagine especially if you're writing them for 20+ years, so for example when he wrote that Jon and Arya get together they were just vague ideas and then when they actually were written and fleshed out he might have tried to envision a romance plot and been like "Lol neither of them would be interested!"

Exactly, I'm guessing back in those days, Arya probably wasn't anything like she was now if GRRM intended her to be a love interest but as he wrote the books he probably realised that there was more value in taking her down the path she's on now.

When you write, characters are living creatures within your head, they become more indepth as they live on because you'll start thinking of little things that add a lot to their personality and motivations and such. I'd assume that the only character who probably resembles anything like the original outline is Jon.

[Scarlett.]

I'm thinking a small token force of White Walkers will show up at Winterfell, and the rest will march on Kings Landing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I'm thinking a small token force of White Walkers will show up at Winterfell, and the rest will march on Kings Landing

But ep 3 (Battle of Winterfell) has been described as being "the biggest, longest and most ambitious battle sequence ever filmed for TV or possibly ever filmed full stop" .

Which is another reason that I think episode 3 (maybe 4) will be the end of the White Walkers. It doesn't really make sense for it to be the huge, major battle but then there be another, smaller battle as the climactic one... it suggests that it's the battle to end all battles and the rest will be more personal / political.

Although it could also mean that the White Walkers win at Winterfell and their eventual demise is a small group assassinating the Night King in a later episode, I guess.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But ep 3 (Battle of Winterfell) has been described as being "the biggest, longest and most ambitious battle sequence ever filmed for TV or possibly ever filmed full stop" .

Which is another reason that I think episode 3 (maybe 4) will be the end of the White Walkers. It doesn't really make sense for it to be the huge, major battle but then there be another, smaller battle as the climactic one... it suggests that it's the battle to end all battles and the rest will be more personal / political.

Although it could also mean that the White Walkers win at Winterfell and their eventual demise is a small group assassinating the Night King in a later episode, I guess.

Given how numerous the White Walkers are, it could still be a really big battle, I think a lot of people are forgetting this from S2

[Niamh.]

Oh just rewatched that scene Dia. hhmm