[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe..have already said I think I expect too much given the other episodes have pretty much all been great. I found this one a bit..flat.

I think the only alternative could have been us seeing the dead take the Umbers castle or people fleeing etc, instead of the dragon ride, but then apart from that I feel like it you can’t really expect anything from a season opener as it has to lay the ground work for the rest of the season

[bots]

jon and danny are clearly going to ride dragons while fighting the dead. As Jon had not been on a dragon before, they had to find some way of introducing that concept before the battle commenced. I thought it was all fine

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also I don't really get how you can win against an army of dead in battle, because basically, everyone they kill will rise and be on their side now? Unless if you kill the main dude, the rest all die too or something.

Well clearly the battle is going to be won when they do kill the main dude.

Might take 70 minutes of the episode to reach that point.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe..have already said I think I expect too much given the other episodes have pretty much all been great. I found this one a bit..flat.

This is the first season opener not to have been scripted by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss. Next week's isn't either.

They've let staff writers Dave Hill and Bryan Cogman do the dull stuff of getting the cast together in the right places.

Then D & D write the last 4 feature length episodes where all the important stuff happens (according to GRRM's outline).

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Olenna was the best character for me

Diana Rigg

who already was iconic for her role in The Avengers, a show my parents really liked

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

jon and danny are clearly going to ride dragons while fighting the dead. As Jon had not been on a dragon before, they had to find some way of introducing that concept before the battle commenced. I thought it was all fine

Yeah exactly

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly

also, i thought the waterfall scene was also a link back to jon and ygritte in the cave ... i thought it was quite clever with the woman dictating the terms on both occasions

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

also, i thought the waterfall scene was also a link back to jon and ygritte in the cave ... i thought it was quite clever with the woman dictating the terms on both occasions

Yeah that was the first thing I thought of aswell when I saw the waterfall. The whole episode was a nice throw back to earlier scenes/episodes

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I don’t see them being dealt with in just a few eps... I feel like the build up of the white walkers, since literally the first ep means they will be the main fight until the end.

The problem with that though is that GoT lives and dies on it's characters and so to have the overall villain essentially be a silent CGI monster doesn't really strike me as correct. Plus why bring the Golden Company into it now if they aren't setting up for Cersei to march north once the battle is done to try to kill off Dani's army when they're recovering from the war against the white walkers?

I think if Cersei wasn't going to be the main villain of this series or, as I previously thought, she isn't going to become the Night Queen and speak for the white walkers to give them a strong character to add more depth to them, then they would have set up her downfall early or we'd have seen the Night King's dragon fly over King's Landing at the end of this episode.

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't really see a massive army of undead just being dealt with in two episodes, frankly. But then to have a "nobody takes the throne because there is no throne", or "the Night King takes the throne" ending would also be rather disappointing.

Remember that they only need to kill the Night King and everything else he has raised will die with him, revenants and White Walkers alike. I can see them having a huge battle in Episode 3 and killing off the Night King there and then.

Originally Posted by BBDodge

The White Walkers aren't the main story, the succession to the throne is.

So ep. 2 will be the preparation for battle, 3 is the big battle, 4 is the aftermath, 5 is the North vs. South battle and 6 wraps it all up with who's still alive, who pairs up with who, and who's left to claim the throne (and some weird stuff from Bran).

Yeah, I think this is how it's going to go down. The White Walkers is just a way to unite most of the cast against the villain and potentially de-power Dani a bit by removing a dragon (or likely two). I think Cersei's going to put Dani in a really bad position after they kill the Night King and the last three episodes will be Dani and the survivors trying to muster up an army to overthrow Cersei.

[bots]

I think it's all heading toward a north south battle too, and a part of that includes personal conflicts requiring resolution between the 2 knight brothers, and Cersi vs Sansa with Cersi still also being on Arya's list.

It's all a bit complicated, but i'm not quite sure where Jon or Dani fit in now. Dani for her armies probably, but Jon i think may be an episode 3 casualty.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think it's all heading toward a north south battle too, and a part of that includes personal conflicts requiring resolution between the 2 knight brothers, and Cersi vs Sansa with Cersi still also being on Arya's list.

It's all a bit complicated, but i'm not quite sure where Jon or Dani fit in now. Dani for her armies probably, but Jon i think may be an episode 3 casualty.

I think either Jon or Dany could be a shock exit earlier on as you say with one of them having to sacrifice the other for the lightbringer sword to kill the knight king

Also, Cersei and the two brothers have their issues to sort as well, she's got a lot of potential killers but if the fortune tellers predictions come true (like they have done so far) then it will be one of her brothers that kills her or Arya wearing her brothers face

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think either Jon or Dany could be a shock exit earlier on as you say with one of them having to sacrifice the other for the lightbringer sword to kill the knight king

Also, Cersei and the two brothers have their issues to sort as well, she's got a lot of potential killers but if the fortune tellers predictions come true (like they have done so far) then it will be one of her brothers that kills her or Arya wearing her brothers face

Arya in a Tyrion mask killing Cersei would be sort of amazing.

1) Because it would round off Ayra's list finally and

2) because it would mean that Cersei spent all those years believing Tyrion would kill her, only for it to not be either of her brothers at all, but a "flaw" in the fortune.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Arya in a Tyrion mask killing Cersei would be sort of amazing.

1) Because it would round off Ayra's list finally and

2) because it would mean that Cersei spent all those years believing Tyrion would kill her, only for it to not be either of her brothers at all, but a "flaw" in the fortune.

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...

[user104658]

That said, I do think the more. Likely "killed by brother" twist is that it will be Jaime who she never suspected for a second, always focussed on hating Tyrion.

[Daniel.]

Am I the only one who thinks they won't kill off most main characters? I can see al of Jon/Dany/Tyrion/Arya/Sansa surviving

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...

Well exactly, Tyrion couldn't get close but Arya could Solid Snake her way in, taking out guards quietly one by one, leaving Cersei to be like "Wtf how did you get in here Tyrion?"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Am I the only one who thinks they won't kill off most main characters? I can see al of Jon/Dany/Tyrion/Arya/Sansa surviving

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I doubt Tyrion would get close, but in a Jamie mask...

Yeah was going to say plus her thinking that Jaime killed her would be worse for her than Tyrion

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That said, I do think the more. Likely "killed by brother" twist is that it will be Jaime who she never suspected for a second, always focussed on hating Tyrion.

Yeah, she's technically older than Jaime aswell so both are "younger brothers"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

ah no spoilers I never heard that before

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

Is the way the show is going to end exactly how the book is going to end?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When GRRM first proposed the books to the publisher, only Jon, Arya, Sansa, and Tyrionn (i think) would make it to the end, obviously a lot could of happened since then but that was his initial plan.

No way Jon is killed imo, but everyone else is on the table.

It was Dany and Bran not Sansa

But then again in that original concept he had Arya and Tyrion fall in love so

[Niamh.]

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Smithy

It was Dany and Bran not Sansa

But then again in that original concept he had Arya and Tyrion fall in love so

I think it was Jon and Arya

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh

It's not spoilers as most of it has already been changed/is different.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stop saying spoiler stuff ahhhh

Girl this was the original plot

Sansa Stark, wed to Joffrey Baratheon, will bear him a son, the heir to the throne, and when the crunch comes she will choose her husband and child over her parents and siblings, a choice she will later bitterly rue. Tyrion Lannister, meanwhile, will befriend both Sansa and her sister Arya, while growing more and more disenchanted with his own family.

Robb will win several splendid victories, and maim Joffrey Baratheon on the battlefield, but in the end he will not be able to stand against Jaime and Tyrion Lannister and their allies. Robb Stark will die in battle, and Tyrion Lannister will besiege and burn Winterfell.

Stuff changes

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think it was Jon and Arya

It was, but it was also Dany, Bran and Tyrion too

[Niamh.]

So basically Jon and Arya are definitely surviving, spoilers