[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How do you know this exactly ..


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None of us KNOW anything exactly,its just our opinions and we all have one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It was a relaxed interview with Oprah to tell her story, it was NOT an interrogation debate .

As I said already the interview would of been farr too long if they went on about her dad & sister etc, and Meghan would get more critism if the interview broadcast over a few days rather than just 1 day.

But don't worry there's plenty of long winded interviews out there, that go on forever that you'll probably enjoy better than Harry & Meghan's 2 hour one.

do you have say a couple of examples of tv interviews like this that were significantly longer than 2 HOURS?

[jet]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/143015...c_article=true

DOESN'T ADD UP Meghan Markle and Prince Harry enjoyed 13 holidays despite saying her passport was taken away
Matt Wilkinson

MEGHAN had at least 13 foreign holidays after being welcomed into the royal fold — despite telling Oprah Winfrey her passport was taken away.
But insiders said she must have shown her passport to border officials at 12 countries she visited as a tourist during that time.
The Sun today reveals she flew off on 13 holidays after starting dating Harry, including trips to New York, Ibiza, Botswana, Italy and Amsterdam.

The duchess told Oprah: “You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.....”

The couple also took part in three official royal tours, taking in Morocco, South Africa and Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and Fiji.
Buckingham Palace did not want to comment yesterday.
............................
Yet another Meghan fabrication/gross exaggeration.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/143015...c_article=true

DOESN'T ADD UP Meghan Markle and Prince Harry enjoyed 13 holidays despite saying her passport was taken away
Matt Wilkinson

MEGHAN had at least 13 foreign holidays after being welcomed into the royal fold — despite telling Oprah Winfrey her passport was taken away.
But insiders said she must have shown her passport to border officials at 12 countries she visited as a tourist during that time.
The Sun today reveals she flew off on 13 holidays after starting dating Harry, including trips to New York, Ibiza, Botswana, Italy and Amsterdam.

The duchess told Oprah: “You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.....”

The couple also took part in three official royal tours, taking in Morocco, South Africa and Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and Fiji.
Buckingham Palace did not want to comment yesterday.
............................
Yet another Meghan fabrication/gross exaggeration.

Yes. This is another thing that doesn't add up.
If she didn't have her passport she wouldn't have been able.tl take those many holidays.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/143015...c_article=true

DOESN'T ADD UP Meghan Markle and Prince Harry enjoyed 13 holidays despite saying her passport was taken away
Matt Wilkinson

MEGHAN had at least 13 foreign holidays after being welcomed into the royal fold — despite telling Oprah Winfrey her passport was taken away.
But insiders said she must have shown her passport to border officials at 12 countries she visited as a tourist during that time.
The Sun today reveals she flew off on 13 holidays after starting dating Harry, including trips to New York, Ibiza, Botswana, Italy and Amsterdam.

The duchess told Oprah: “You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more.....”

The couple also took part in three official royal tours, taking in Morocco, South Africa and Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and Fiji.
Buckingham Palace did not want to comment yesterday.
............................
Yet another Meghan fabrication/gross exaggeration.

didn't she shoot off to New York for her baby shower, and then after Harry made his impassioned plea to the plebs to stop flying, she went off to support Serena at the New York Open

she and Harry also went on Easy Jet somewhere, mind you that was only the once never to be repeated flight with the cattle

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

didn't she shoot off to New York for her baby shower, and then after Harry made his impassioned plea to the plebs to stop flying, she went off to support Serena at the New York Open

Yes. This proves that she could get hold of her passport when she needed to travel.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I would like to see her challenged on her accusations...we all knew the Oprah interview was going to be utterly biased...she didn’t challenge her on any of her answers just allowed her to say what Meghan wanted to say. It was pathetic.

Her replies were long on accusations but short on detail as she wasn't challenged, so all we had was Meghan telling the world that everyone had done her wrong and she and Harry were perfect....and some believe every word she said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Short but succinct letter to The Telegraph today:

The Royal family is suffering the ignominy of being tried in
the court of public opinion for an unspecified crime committed by an unnamed person.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many people online desperate to find out where Markle buys her waterproof mascara?

[user104658]

I don't know if people are blinkered by their own dislike of her or just being dumb? Obviously she went abroad and HAD a passport - she clearly meant that the "Royal Team" kept things like that and you had to plan/organise travel through them, which should be completely obvious really, they weren't queueing at Heathrow for commercial flights, they didn't have to show Paul the Passport Guy their ID on the way through. Why are people pretending that they think active senior royals go through commercial border control .

Oh wait, I guess if you can convince yourself that they can pop to the local GP about their mental health any time they want, you'd also believe that they keep their own passports in the sock drawer.

Who knew that cognitive dissonance could be fueled entirely by a simple determination to dislike someone?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if people are blinkered by their own dislike of her or just being dumb? Obviously she went abroad and HAD a passport - she clearly meant that the "Royal Team" kept things like that and you had to plan/organise travel through them, which should be completely obvious really, they weren't queueing at Heathrow for commercial flights, they didn't have to show Paul the Passport Guy their ID on the way through. Why are people pretending that they think active senior royals go through commercial border control .

Oh wait, I guess if you can convince yourself that they can pop to the local GP about their mental health any time they want, you'd also believe that they keep their own passports in the sock drawer.

Who knew that cognitive dissonance could be fueled entirely by a simple determination to dislike someone?

She made it sound like she was being held prisoner while it was just for security reasons

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if people are blinkered by their own dislike of her or just being dumb? Obviously she went abroad and HAD a passport - she clearly meant that the "Royal Team" kept things like that and you had to plan/organise travel through them, which should be completely obvious really, they weren't queueing at Heathrow for commercial flights, they didn't have to show Paul the Passport Guy their ID on the way through. Why are people pretending that they think active senior royals go through commercial border control .

Oh wait, I guess if you can convince yourself that they can pop to the local GP about their mental health any time they want, you'd also believe that they keep their own passports in the sock drawer.

Who knew that cognitive dissonance could be fueled entirely by a simple determination to dislike someone?

I know right, it's as dumb as imagining her going to human resources.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She made it sound like she was being held prisoner while it was just for security reasons

That point went straight over TS's head.

[AnnieK]

In all honesty any one of us if you think about it honestly would be shaken by the lack of control you would experience if you were in that life. To go from living independently for however many years to having someone else control near enough every aspect of your life would feel to most like you were a prisoner. Kate was a little more readied for it for a number of reasons, she was younger, had been dating William for longer and was British so a little more aware of Royalty. I couldn't relinquish control of my life easily and I doubt most others could too. It would be a massive shock and probably would feel like we were being held prisoner. Look how the Covid restrictions have impacted on a lot of people's mental health.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

Meghan did contact ITV with a complaint tbf it was on sky news earlier.

And she was quite right too imo.

However that was 1 complaint, Ofcom received over 40k from the public.

...just going back to this for a moment...yeah her team did state a complaint, it’s reported...but it’s also reported that members of the GMB staff themselves also registered complaints...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She made it sound like she was being held prisoner while it was just for security reasons

It can be both. I understand them holding onto documents for security reasons, but it also means that any travel or desire to leave is a "negotiation" and not something you can just do. Is that maybe an inevitable part of being such a high-profile figure because of security concerns? Sure. But in practical terms, it's still a clear and obvious restriction of freedoms. It's still a layer of people who can say "no, that would have to be a bigger conversation" if you decide you want to leave in the middle of the night. Something that most people can do.

Exact same as with the "lol you're telling me they can't just seek their own mental health support" - it seems blatantly obvious that senior managed royals can't just go out on their own and visit whichever doctor they feel like visiting? Security concerns, confidentiality concerns, etc etc. OF COURSE they have their own vetted doctors for the family. It's just all so disingenuous. "If you're feeling depressed you can pop to the GP lol wot is she on about". Why are people pretending they were Hazz and Meg from 3-doors-down whilst they were working royals??

And golly gosh people WHERE is the nuance? I see people on this thread claiming its unrealistic to believe that Meghan and Harry are pure/blameless/perfect which of course it is, they are human beings and such a thing does not exist.

But then the same people are trying to depict them as cackling g cartoon villains out to destroy the poor, meek, innocent little Royals . The wee Queen . Poor Charles who has been nowt but a good dad must be sooo sad .

Are Harry and Meghan embellishing details? Maybe. Are recollections legitimately slightly different? Probably - perfect recall of events is very rare/doesn't really exist. Are they sometimes a LITTLE lost in various types of privilege? Probably.

But anyone with the blinkers OFF should be able to see what a nest of vipers the Royal Institution is, and how controlling it is of the major figures involved in that life. This has been obvious FOR DECADES, at this point almost a CENTURY, the Royal Family has been plagued with unhappy individuals and mental health crises. There has been example after example. Why are people pretending that this situation is new or unprecedented? Why are we pretending it's a Harry-problem when the issues were clear as day before Harry was even born? Why are we pretending it's a Meghan Markle issue when there are countless VIDEO examples of Harry having major issues with the family, and press, long before he knew she existed?

It's just an absolute circus. The number of generation-spanning royal issues that are somehow being attributed to Meghan is staggering. And the justification/reasoning is "Oh Umm ee Umm Well do you think they are perfect?"

a boring charade.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

That point went straight over TS's head.

Oh rly did it jet? Oh gee. Oh silly old me I guess.

We don't make personal comments about other members .

[jet]

The Royals don't GO to doctors, the doctors come to them. Even in the middle of the night. Was it always the middle of the night in Ken Palace?
See the Diana story.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It can be both. I understand them holding onto documents for security reasons, but it also means that any travel or desire to leave is a "negotiation" and not something you can just do. Is that maybe an inevitable part of being such a high-profile figure because of security concerns? Sure. But in practical terms, it's still a clear and obvious restriction of freedoms. It's still a layer of people who can say "no, that would have to be a bigger conversation" if you decide you want to leave in the middle of the night. Something that most people can do.

Exact same as with the "lol you're telling me they can't just seek their own mental health support" - it seems blatantly obvious that senior managed royals can't just go out on their own and visit whichever doctor they feel like visiting? Security concerns, confidentiality concerns, etc etc. OF COURSE they have their own vetted doctors for the family. It's just all so disingenuous. "If you're feeling depressed you can pop to the GP lol wot is she on about". Why are people pretending they were Hazz and Meg from 3-doors-down whilst they were working royals??

And golly gosh people WHERE is the nuance? I see people on this thread claiming its unrealistic to believe that Meghan and Harry are pure/blameless/perfect which of course it is, they are human beings and such a thing does not exist.

But then the same people are trying to depict them as cackling g cartoon villains out to destroy the poor, meek, innocent little Royals . The wee Queen . Poor Charles who has been nowt but a good dad must be sooo sad .

Are Harry and Meghan embellishing details? Maybe. Are recollections legitimately slightly different? Probably - perfect recall of events is very rare/doesn't really exist. Are they sometimes a LITTLE lost in various types of privilege? Probably.

But anyone with the blinkers OFF should be able to see what a nest of vipers the Royal Institution is, and how controlling it is of the major figures involved in that life. This has been obvious FOR DECADES, at this point almost a CENTURY, the Royal Family has been plagued with unhappy individuals and mental health crises. There has been example after example. Why are people pretending that this situation is new or unprecedented? Why are we pretending it's a Harry-problem when the issues were clear as day before Harry was even born? Why are we pretending it's a Meghan Markle issue when there are countless VIDEO examples of Harry having major issues with the family, and press, long before he knew she existed?

It's just an absolute circus. The number of generation-spanning royal issues that are somehow being attributed to Meghan is staggering. And the justification/reasoning is "Oh Umm ee Umm Well do you think they are perfect?"

a boring charade.

I mean this is probably the most sensible analysis of the whole thing that I've read so far. This whole idea especially that Meghan is some evil master manipulator who had all this planned out since she was a teenager (according to some people) is just so unrealistic

[Ammi]

...just adding slightly to what TS has said...it’s often said that ‘Meghan was planning her escape all along’, type thing...and the whole thing is obviously a very complex story with many layers...but it’s become more and more clear in my own thoughts that if any ‘escape’ has ever been planned of that Royal life as a senior royal etc...it’s initially by Harry and for probably a very long time, long before Meghan came into his life...His unhappiness really does appear very profound to the very core of him...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean this is probably the most sensible analysis of the whole thing that I've read so far. This whole idea especially that Meghan is some evil master manipulator who had all this planned out since she was a teenager (according to some people) is just so unrealistic

....I think that Meghan was more the ‘saviour,’ than the manipulator’ in that she’s supported him in this very difficult decision because she’s known his unhappiness and really does truly know Harry...I’m sure that his family all do love him dearly but ‘family duty’ is such a powerful thing as well...

[Ammi]

...anyway, I’ve missed your thought filled posts, TS.....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

The Royals don't GO to doctors, the doctors come to them. Even in the middle of the night. Was it always the middle of the night in Ken Palace?
See the Diana story.

Then why have people been repeatedly saying that Meghan could have sought out support on her own if Royal Management refused to get someone in to see her? You're literally confirming that you KNOW the management team had to sign off on her access to a doctor, and thus her claim that they refused on the grounds that it would look bad for the family is perfectly legitimate or at least possible? It's previously been poo-poo'd away as unrealistic because "Oh you're telling me they couldn't seek that help without going through the institution lol?"

Some real inconsistencies here jet, don't be doing any Oprah interviews, the Internet will tear them to bits

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do people on tibb believe that the average person who watched that interview were aware it wasn't a proper interview - that it was a set up?

I get the feeling that for many in America and maybe the 16-24 demographic think that Oprah is a proper interviewer and not a chat show host/pal doing a favour?

That is a huge concern

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....I think that Meghan was more the ‘saviour,’ than the manipulator’ in that she’s supported him in this very difficult decision because she’s known his unhappiness and really does truly know Harry...I’m sure that his family all do love him dearly but ‘family duty’ is such a powerful thing as well...

Of course they do, it must be **** not to be able to just be happy and support your family in whatever makes them happy, I know it's not my country so none of my business what you do or who you have as your head of state but it just seems so out of date and draconian the whole Royal stuff. I really couldn't think of anything worse than to have been born into that fish bowl life