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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It can be both. I understand them holding onto documents for security reasons, but it also means that any travel or desire to leave is a "negotiation" and not something you can just do. Is that maybe an inevitable part of being such a high-profile figure because of security concerns? Sure. But in practical terms, it's still a clear and obvious restriction of freedoms. It's still a layer of people who can say "no, that would have to be a bigger conversation" if you decide you want to leave in the middle of the night. Something that most people can do.

Exact same as with the "lol you're telling me they can't just seek their own mental health support" - it seems blatantly obvious that senior managed royals can't just go out on their own and visit whichever doctor they feel like visiting? Security concerns, confidentiality concerns, etc etc. OF COURSE they have their own vetted doctors for the family. It's just all so disingenuous. "If you're feeling depressed you can pop to the GP lol wot is she on about". Why are people pretending they were Hazz and Meg from 3-doors-down whilst they were working royals??

And golly gosh people WHERE is the nuance? I see people on this thread claiming its unrealistic to believe that Meghan and Harry are pure/blameless/perfect which of course it is, they are human beings and such a thing does not exist.

But then the same people are trying to depict them as cackling g cartoon villains out to destroy the poor, meek, innocent little Royals . The wee Queen . Poor Charles who has been nowt but a good dad must be sooo sad .

Are Harry and Meghan embellishing details? Maybe. Are recollections legitimately slightly different? Probably - perfect recall of events is very rare/doesn't really exist. Are they sometimes a LITTLE lost in various types of privilege? Probably.

But anyone with the blinkers OFF should be able to see what a nest of vipers the Royal Institution is, and how controlling it is of the major figures involved in that life. This has been obvious FOR DECADES, at this point almost a CENTURY, the Royal Family has been plagued with unhappy individuals and mental health crises. There has been example after example. Why are people pretending that this situation is new or unprecedented? Why are we pretending it's a Harry-problem when the issues were clear as day before Harry was even born? Why are we pretending it's a Meghan Markle issue when there are countless VIDEO examples of Harry having major issues with the family, and press, long before he knew she existed?

It's just an absolute circus. The number of generation-spanning royal issues that are somehow being attributed to Meghan is staggering. And the justification/reasoning is "Oh Umm ee Umm Well do you think they are perfect?"

a boring charade.

I mean this is probably the most sensible analysis of the whole thing that I've read so far. This whole idea especially that Meghan is some evil master manipulator who had all this planned out since she was a teenager (according to some people) is just so unrealistic