[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

GMB's Alex Beresford quits social media over racist abuse after Piers Morgan row...


https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/c...ocial-23835065


...some things can’t be made true by selectively collecting data...I wonder how many actual stories were ‘collected’ in the making of the report...

Social media, twitter especially, is just a toxic wasteland; one man getting some mean comments (via an American website) doesn't mean the country is institutionally racist.

If people object to the reported findings, maybe they could find some proof of institutional racism faced by citizens?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Alex is blamed by many for getting Piers gone.
Of Course, he is the one that Got Piers to walk out for a few mins.

He was Presenting GMBHD itv, with Charlotte Hawkins
today. He is Lightweight, compared to how Piers was.

the guy is a jerk and was bang out of order pretending to know what Piers was thinking

I note he was not reprimanded for his hissy fit

wonder why

[Crimson Dynamo]

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leinaddf
3 hours ago
Well said. I'm an immigrant and worked since I arrived here. Now I've finished my training ang works in NHS and with a good team in ICU, working with every colour. My managers are white, brown and black. It's not all about the colour, it's how you perform.

[Kazanne]

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

Same here.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

Saudi?

[user104658]

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

he wasnt wrong though was he

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

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leinaddf
3 hours ago
Well said. I'm an immigrant and worked since I arrived here. Now I've finished my training ang works in NHS and with a good team in ICU, working with every colour. My managers are white, brown and black. It's not all about the colour, it's how you perform.

Have you watched this?

He appears to just repeat himself several times that there is racism in the institutions but the institutions aren't racist. A point, I think, he needs to elaborate on but instead he just repeats it. What do you think he says that's important?.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

Snotty teenagers think their form heads are idiots as a matter of course. Then they grow up and realize they were snotty teenagers....

[GiRTh]

Almost forgot, that bloke - no idea who he is or why he's relevant - says he's experienced a 'tiny' bit of racism. Whats a 'Tiny' bit of racism? and in comparison what would be a 'large' bit of racism?

Great vid LT.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Snotty teenagers think their form heads are idiots as a matter of course. Then they grow up and realize they were snotty teenagers....

I’m 36 jet the man was an idiot. The same still applies. If you don’t like aspects of a job, you can try and get the manager to change them before you walk off and if the manager isn’t open to discussion and says “if you don’t like it leave!” they are an idiot. You can want to improve the country you live in. Saying “if you don’t like everything exactly as it is then bugger off” is destructive, undemocratic, and anti-patriotic.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’m 36 jet the man was an idiot. The same still applies. If you don’t like aspects of a job, you can try and get the manager to change them before you walk off and if the manager isn’t open to discussion and says “if you don’t like it leave!” they are an idiot. You can want to improve the country you live in. Saying “if you don’t like everything exactly as it is then bugger off” is destructive, undemocratic, and anti-patriotic.

There can always be improvements, but how is the way things are going nowadays going to improve anything? Do ‘the ‘UK is institutionally racist! Ott Warrior types think for example that throwing the accusation ‘racist’ around simply because some people dislike someone or people losing their jobs because they don’t believe what a mixed race person says is going to improve things or make them worse?

They must be thick if they think that kind of OTT behavior is going to lead to improvements. IMO they don’t care about improvements, they just want a reason to bring people and their country down.That is destructive and undemocratic.
Those that do this, don't put forward ideas on HOW to improve things, how to change minds that need changed, they just use accusations and aggressiveness which is totally counter - productive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

There can always be improvements, but how is the way things are going nowadays going to improve anything? Do ‘the ‘UK is institutionally racist! Ott Warrior types think for example that throwing the accusation ‘racist’ around simply because some people dislike someone or people losing their jobs because they don’t believe what a mixed race person says is going to improve things or make them worse?

They must be thick if they think that kind of OTT behavior is going to lead to improvements. IMO they don’t care about improvements, they just want a reason to bring people and their country down.That is destructive and undemocratic.
Those that do this, don't put forward ideas on HOW to improve things, how to change minds that need changed, they just use accusations and aggressiveness which is totally counter - productive.

If there are issues, and you think other people's reactions and solutions to those issues are not going to work or even be counter-productive, surely the sensible thing to do is point out how/why you think those solutions are counter-productive or even contribute to the debate other ways in which you think things could be tackled, productively...

... ... the answer isn't just denying that the issue exists in the first place and bleating that anyone who has a problem with things "can just go live elsewhere"

[Liam-]

Well, if you don’t like our racism, you can bloody well bugger off can’t you

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If there are issues, and you think other people's reactions and solutions to those issues are not going to work or even be counter-productive, surely the sensible thing to do is point out how/why you think those solutions are counter-productive or even contribute to the debate other ways in which you think things could be tackled, productively...

... ... the answer isn't just denying that the issue exists in the first place and bleating that anyone who has a problem with things "can just go live elsewhere"

My solution is they should STOP doing it that way for a start. Do you think the examples I cited are going to work?

I didn't deny issues exist, but there isn't a country in the world that doesn't have issues, we are better than many. If people just want to complain and be aggressive instead of being part of the solution, go to a country that you would be happier living in.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

My solution is they should STOP doing it that way for a start. Do you think the examples I cited are going to work?

I didn't deny issues exist, but there isn't a country in the world that doesn't have issues, we are better than many. If people just want to complain and be aggressive instead of being part of the solution, go to a country that you would be happier living in.

Pointing out the problem is part of the solution, people who don't like the problem being pointed out are acting from a place of being defensive and defensiveness is never the solution... it's an emotional reaction to feeling personally attacked. Feeling personally attacked when someone criticises your country is, in my opinion, a sign of the "worse" side of nationalism. It's certainly not patriotism.

[Jordan.]

well this is the least racist country I can think of so why try be any better - this thread

[bots]

all we can realistically do is compare ourselves against other countries. People were quick enough to use that when discussing covid afterall. If there are other countries that are seen as better, then please name them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The commission's report concluded that the UK is not yet a "post-racial
country" - but its success in removing race-based disparity in education and, to
a lesser extent, the economy, "should be regarded as a model for other
white-majority countries".

I hope these other countries learn from our success

"In a statement issued after the report was published, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said it was "right" that ministers now consider its recommendations in detail and assess "the implications for future government policy".

He added: "The entirety of government remains fully committed to building a fairer Britain and taking the action needed to address disparities wherever they exist."

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all we can realistically do is compare ourselves against other countries. People were quick enough to use that when discussing covid afterall. If there are other countries that are seen as better, then please name them.

It isn't all we can realistically do though! Even if we were literally the best in the world on this, what sort of reasoning is "Yeah there are still problems but who cares, we're better than everywhere else so let's stop trying to tackle those problems".

Why wouldn't it be "Wow we're doing great on this, but there are areas to keep looking at so let's do that".

How is it constructive to view it as a competition? In fact there's little if any reason to compare ourselves to other countries at all, other than to identify the things we're getting right in comparison, and to borrow ideas that might help in areas that still need work.

Honestly I just don't get the argument at all. If a kid goes to their school teachers and says "I'm being bullied", does the headmaster unveil a whiteboard with facts and figures showing that actually that school has the best record on anti-bullying of all the schools in the area and then insist that - with that in mind - this kid CANNOT possibly be being bullied, because it's not a school where much bullying happens, and if he doesn't like that reply he can bugger off elsewhere and "see how he likes it there"?

Or does he say, "We pride ourselves on being against bullying so we're going to stamp out the bullying that still exists here".

You'd hope for the latter and I apply the exact same logic here.

If Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world, then when remaining instances of racism are pointed out we should WANT TO STAMP IT OUT, because that's something to be proud of! What sort of reaction is "Umm we are not racist and if you think so you can **** off somewhere else". Just nonsense.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It isn't all we can realistically do though! Even if we were literally the best in the world on this, what sort of reasoning is "Yeah there are still problems but who cares, we're better than everywhere else so let's stop trying to tackle those problems".

Why wouldn't it be "Wow we're doing great on this, but there are areas to keep looking at so let's do that".

How is it constructive to view it as a competition? In fact there's little if any reason to compare ourselves to other countries at all, other than to identify the things we're getting right in comparison, and to borrow ideas that might help in areas that still need work.

Honestly I just don't get the argument at all. If a kid goes to their school teachers and says "I'm being bullied", does the headmaster unveil a whiteboard with facts and figures showing that actually that school has the best record on anti-bullying of all the schools in the area and then insist that - with that in mind - this kid CANNOT possibly be being bullied, because it's not a school where much bullying happens, and if he doesn't like that reply he can bugger off elsewhere and "see how he likes it there"?

Or does he say, "We pride ourselves on being against bullying so we're going to stamp out the bullying that still exists here".

You'd hope for the latter and I apply the exact same logic here.

If Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world, then when remaining instances of racism are pointed out we should WANT TO STAMP IT OUT, because that's something to be proud of! What sort of reaction is "Umm we are not racist and if you think so you can **** off somewhere else". Just nonsense.

and yet after all of the fluff you typed above, you still haven't named a country that is better

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and yet after all of the fluff you typed above, you still haven't named a country that is better

Did you even read it? I was saying it's irrelevant, it doesn't matter. I haven't looked. If we are the best in the world, that doesn't mean we've "won" and get to stop trying to improve. Having less institutional racism than elsewhere doesn't mean we have none, or that people should "just be grateful it's better here than elsewhere". If it still happens at all it still happens too much and people should shine a spotlight on it, and anyone who is not themselves complicit in racism should be happy to HAVE a spotlight shone on it.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all we can realistically do is compare ourselves against other countries. People were quick enough to use that when discussing covid afterall. If there are other countries that are seen as better, then please name them.

Why don't you start us off by explaining how comparing ourselves is all that can be realistically done to tackle racism? I'm sure we'll be waiting longer for that reply than someone needlessly naming a "better" country.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Social media, twitter especially, is just a toxic wasteland; one man getting some mean comments (via an American website) doesn't mean the country is institutionally racist.

If people object to the reported findings, maybe they could find some proof of institutional racism faced by citizens?

It might be a toxic wasteland, but it's nothing compared to the television. That is evil and deceitful and a place for the powerful to control.