[glib]

Cant believe we have declared war :cry:

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's very easy to grab a load of land, it's a lot more difficult to keep it. The west will continually arm the ukranians, so russia have got a long long fight on their hands. It also costs an awful lot of money to keep 200,000 troops in position.

It's not going to be pretty, and it's going to be tough on ukranians, but they will win eventually

Yes it's my understanding that it will be all but impossible for Russia to hold Ukraine indefinitely - but they may be able to force regime change before leaving, which would effectively keep Ukraine as an "independent country" but one permanently aligned with Russia.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Still a lot of useful idiots for Russia in the Labour party, thankfully no longer in the party leadership

Thankfully this man isn't in party leadership anymore.

However, Starmers main advisor (Mandelson) has done very well from his relatiionship with Russia. I see Farage (remember when he used to be your avatar?) is attacking everyone that isn't pro-putin, and the tories are bankrolled by Russia, but yeah, a few anti-war labour MP's are really putting the country at risk!

[bots]

nice to see you slim!

and i don't disagree that uk politics has been corrupted by russian money

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

nice to see you slim!

and i don't disagree that uk politics has been corrupted by russian money

Just a brief visit before we all get nuked off the planet. When so much of the western right/far right has been funded by them over the years, and they now reside in power, it's no wonder Johnson is too scared, and US republicans mixed with our brexit crew, are the only ones cheering him on. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, and all that.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Thankfully this man isn't in party leadership anymore.

However, Starmers main advisor (Mandelson) has done very well from his relatiionship with Russia. I see Farage (remember when he used to be your avatar?) is attacking everyone that isn't pro-putin, and the tories are bankrolled by Russia, but yeah, a few anti-war labour MP's are really putting the country at risk!

Did so as a means to attack the Tory party and its a fair point but let's not act like he hasn't sympathised with Russia or the USSR on almost every foreign policy issue of the last 50 years. Even when Russian agents murdered people with a chemical agent on British soil he was asking why we weren't sharing intelligence with them. He's appeared repeatedly on Russia Today throughout his career. Today he paid lip service to condemning Russia and then reverted to his comfort zone of attacking Israel over Palestine. Its bitterly ironic and that him and his 'Stop the War' crew were basically silent as an actual, deadly war really did break out on European soil and when they did finally respond they basically laid equal blame at NATOs door

Nice to see you here but if you're trying to make out Corbyn has a proud history of opposing Russian aggression then thats a seriously bad take mate

[MTVN]

Just look at the Stop the War statement and the section where they give their view of why the war has started. Its disgusting.

The conflict is the product of thirty years of failed policies, including the expansion of NATO and US hegemony at the expense of other countries as well as major wars of aggression by the USA, Britain and other NATO powers which have undermined international law and the United Nations.

The British government has played a provocative role in the present crisis, talking up war, decrying diplomacy as appeasement and escalating arms supplies and military deployments to Eastern Europe.

https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/s...aine-24-02-22/

Not one mention of Russia. Not one mention of Putin.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Did so as a means to attack the Tory party and its a fair point but let's not act like he hasn't sympathised with Russia or the USSR on almost every foreign policy issue of the last 50 years. Even when Russian agents murdered people with a chemical agent on British soil he was asking why we weren't sharing intelligence with them. He's appeared repeatedly on Russia Today throughout his career. Today he paid lip service to condemning Russia and then reverted to his comfort zone of attacking Israel over Palestine. Its bitterly ironic and that him and his 'Stop the War' crew were basically silent as an actual, deadly war really did break out on European soil and when they did finally respond they basically laid equal blame at NATOs door

Nice to see you here but if you're trying to make out Corbyn has a proud history of opposing Russian aggression then thats a seriously bad take mate

Yeah, just imagine wanting absolute proof of guilt. Much better to take the Reyna approach of shoot first, ask questions later. He's anti-war. do you want me to post pics of the PM at the time have a ladies night with Russians?

Cleverly admitted today, that Russians were/arer bankrolling Tories, because they were invested in stopping Corbyn, but he's the real friend of Russia, and not the guys who cash Russian cheques? Is that really what you're going with?

Appearing on Russia today? Dude, C'mon. I agree the sharing intelligence thing was off but he's the only leader of a party to suggest something neither of us agreed with? Also nowhere near having the ruling party in charge of our very own country reliant on their cash, but the rest reads like a facebook list.

Things Corbyn has said about Russia:

2008: Accused Russia of rigging elections
2010: Accused Russia of human rights abuses
2013: Condemned Russia’s anti-LGBT legislation
2016: Accused Russia of War Crimes in Syria


Check the threads, I was making these same arguments in the lead up to the 19 election, and none of the tories on here cared at the time.

[Beso]

Corbyn would have condemned russia on its invasion of ukraine if he was in power.

Nothing else.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Just look at the Stop the War statement and the section where they give their view of why the war has started. Its disgusting.



Not one mention of Russia. Not one mention of Putin.

It's such a shame that STW have all the political power in this country, especially after they got, checks notes, 11 MP's to sign their letter. Who then withdrew them as soon as the big red tory threatened them. Man, if only we didn't have STW in thrall to Russia, this would all be over now.

I agree with STW as a movement. I disagree with them on this issue. You also had a Putin Avatar if I remember correctly.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yeah, just imagine wanting absolute proof of guilt. Much better to take the Reyna approach of shoot first, ask questions later. He's anti-war. do you want me to post pics of the PM at the time have a ladies night with Russians?

Cleverly admitted today, that Russians were/arer bankrolling Tories, because they were invested in stopping Corbyn, but he's the real friend of Russia, and not the guys who cash Russian cheques? Is that really what you're going with?

Appearing on Russia today? Dude, C'mon. I agree the sharing intelligence thing was off but he's the only leader of a party to suggest something neither of us agreed with? Also nowhere near having the ruling party in charge of our very own country reliant on their cash, but the rest reads like a facebook list.

Things Corbyn has said about Russia:

2008: Accused Russia of rigging elections
2010: Accused Russia of human rights abuses
2013: Condemned Russia’s anti-LGBT legislation
2016: Accused Russia of War Crimes in Syria


Check the threads, I was making these same arguments in the lead up to the 19 election, and none of the tories on here cared at the time.

Imagine sharing sensitive intelligence with a country using chemical weapons on your soil. If that's the best there is for Corbyn's opposition to Russia I think its pretty inadequate. And I don't even need to look to the past really, looking at what he and what Stop the War are saying right now is enough to tell me that these are people who will never properly stand up to Russian aggression, will never fully stand up for a sovereign nation that has been invaded today and where dozens of innocents have already been killed

I'm not going to defend the Russian money in the Tory party. Its obviously a problem and I'm fully aware I've had a lot of bad takes in the past when it comes to Russia. I made a comment that there were still useful idiots in the Labour party and I stand by that

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Today he paid lip service to condemning Russia and then reverted to his comfort zone of attacking Israel over Palestine.

Discussing the issue of illegal occupation and invasion in one country, is exactly the time to bring it up in other countries, especially when folks have buried their head in the sand on one of those instances.

The way anti-Semitism has been weaponised against him, you think this is a comfort zone?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's such a shame that STW have all the political power in this country, especially after they got, checks notes, 11 MP's to sign their letter. Who then withdrew them as soon as the big red tory threatened them. Man, if only we didn't have STW in thrall to Russia, this would all be over now.

I agree with STW as a movement. I disagree with them on this issue. You also had a Putin Avatar if I remember correctly.

Unless I'm suffering complete amnesia I've never had a Putin avatar. Fully aware I've had bad takes on this before though like I just said. Not sure why you're bringing that up either way to pick a personal fight

Will leave you to it as you've returned like a dog with a bone for some reason. Keep fighting your good fight

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Unless I'm suffering complete amnesia I've never had a Putin avatar. Fully aware I've had bad takes on this before though like I just said. Not sure why you're bringing that up either way to pick a personal fight

Will leave you to it as you've returned like a dog with a bone for some reason. Keep fighting your good fight

It was to show the weirdness and irrelevance of things such as appeared on RT. Not intending to pick a personal fight with you at all. Take it easy.

[Oliver_W]

Oh for heaven's sake, who even cares about Corbyn anymore

He's pretty easy to ignore these days, I didn't even know he'd said anything about all this

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh for heaven's sake, who even cares about Corbyn anymore

He's pretty easy to ignore these days, I didn't even know he'd said anything about all this

Well some did. At least enough to refer to being thankful that previous labour leadership isn't in power anymore...

[The Slim Reaper]

Second thoughts, maybe a nuclear holocaust might not be that bad...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Second thoughts, maybe a nuclear holocaust might not be that bad...

Beautiful lady ...


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[Zizu]

So is the rest of the world just going to sit back and basically do nothing whilst Putin slaughters the helpless Ukraines ?

I did not think this kind of thing would be allowed nowadays.


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So is the rest of the world just going to sit back and basically do nothing whilst Putin slaughters the helpless Ukraines ?

I did not think this kind of thing would be allowed nowadays.


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"Allowed" by who Zizu? Putin literally has the power to end the world at the push of a button.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Allowed" by who Zizu? Putin literally has the power to end the world at the push of a button.

It doesn't even bear thinking about , this is like a literal nightmare that we can't wake up from. it's scary the amount of power that DICK tator lunatic has.

I really feel for Ukraine , this is horrific.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Allowed" by who Zizu? Putin literally has the power to end the world at the push of a button.

Putin is not going to atomic bomb anything, let’s be realistic

Why is the US not currently involved? Because Ukraine means nothing to them, it doesn’t have any economic value to them, and it joining NATO would just be more burden on their shoulders. Biden is choosing not to get directly involved because of this, not because ‘Putin has the power to end the world at the push of a button’

So what if Ukraine gets invaded? It’ll be nothing more of a threat to the West than when the Communists ruled Romania, Hungary, Czechia, etc.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by glib

Putin is not going to atomic bomb anything, let’s be realistic

No he's not, because of M.A.D and the fact that Putin, as much as people try to paint him as such, is NOT insane. However without M.A.D there'd be much more scope for traditional armed conflict over Ukraine.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No he's not, because of M.A.D and the fact that Putin, as much as people try to paint him as such, is NOT insane. However without M.A.D there'd be much more scope for traditional armed conflict over Ukraine.

Well, he is insane actually.

Not just MAD, but the general stigma of using it, regardless of whether the US sent one back or not. Putin would be forced out of power by his own government and people, if not assassinated. He doesn’t want that to happen.

Was 1945 the last time an atomic bomb was used,?

Just look at CND in the 60s.

[rusticgal]

Putin must have some powerful backup in the knowledge that other countries will come to the defence of Ukraine. His threat to those countries today are either just a scare tactic or he really has some atrocity up his sleeve…and if he hasn’t then he is going to make himself look very stupid…all very unnerving.