[arista]

[Mariupol. Direct strike of Russian troops at
the maternity hospital.
People, children are under the wreckage.
Atrocity! How much longer will the world
be an accomplice ignoring terror?]


We are not ignoring it, slim.


If only Ukraine was in NATO!

[MTVN]

Didn't pornhub change their rules so they screened everything and you had to be verified to upload videos? A 'war rape' category sounds more like something you'd see on the darkweb

It is something I was thinking about though, the mass exploitation opportunities from so many displaced people that are largely female and vulnerable. They'll be a lot of horrific abuse getting carried out that will fly under the radar

[thesheriff443]

Women are abused in times of war and peace.

Humans have been taking advantage of other humans since time began.

[thesheriff443]

There will be videos on porn sites claiming to be of Ukrainian women when in reality they are just women already involved in making porn videos.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Women are abused in times of war and peace.

Humans have been taking advantage of other humans since time began.

Sadly
very true.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

And factually, in the opinions of people who work in this sector.

There have even been reports (by the British Embassy no less) that officials are asking to see utility bills of people fleeing a war zone.

This is where the economic migrant/refugee/asylum seeker myth is revealed in all it's glory, as well as the post brexit nimbleness that leaving was supposed to afford us.

Why do you see asking for a utility bill as a negative?

It's obviously been spun..

The original question would have been do you have a passport?...then the questionnaire in wanting to help as much as they could, and knowing their plight, would say that a utility bill, or anything else similar will do, so they can rush them through.

Its pathetic and downright disgraceful leftist politics.

[thesheriff443]

There will be people trying to get in the country by claiming to be Ukrainian

[user104658]

Honestly though it's just a ****ing stupid question isn't it. "When you fled the country, did you happen to grab a utility bill on the way out?

Just nonsense.

Also... I don't know about other countries but... Who even gets physical utility bills these days?

[bots]

they will go down the list. Passport, driving license, id card, student card etc, then they will check against their family in the UK. Simple checks, that will cut out the majority of people trying to con their way in

There is nothing difficult in it really. Bear in mind that the people being processed are already in a safe country within europe, its not like we are bordering ukraine

[glib]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

even on international Women's day the government refused to look at the cost of childcare

On ‘International Woman’s Day’ the government had bigger problems to sort than this

[glib]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Surely Pornhub should be subject to the same outrage and pressure that Maccy Ds and Coca Cola came under to shut down anything Russian related

They probably are, it just isn’t reported in MSM because of the graphic details

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they will go down the list. Passport, driving license, id card, student card etc, then they will check against their family in the UK. Simple checks, that will cut out the majority of people trying to con their way in

There is nothing difficult in it really. Bear in mind that the people being processed are already in a safe country within europe, its not like we are bordering ukraine

Exactly, great post as always

[glib]

Had a look on this online only company’s front page. Articles straight away about why all the left wing are sexist, trans people are misogynistic, using preferred pronouns is sexist… the list goes on
Articles are even labelled ‘opinion’ or not. This was written by a self proclaimed hardcore feminist.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they will go down the list. Passport, driving license, id card, student card etc, then they will check against their family in the UK. Simple checks, that will cut out the majority of people trying to con their way in

There is nothing difficult in it really. Bear in mind that the people being processed are already in a safe country within europe, its not like we are bordering ukraine

If they're at utility bills, how do you think that list is going? Not everyone was an evacuee before bombs started flying, so even expecting that folks will have passports is a complete stretch.

Already in a safe european country is irrelevant, and is along the lines of the made up nonsense that seemed to be created in anti-asylum seeking circles of "first safe country." Was never a thing then (proven in UK courts), and it's either not a thing or completely irrelevant now.

You know how the media manipulates the people in this country when poland have already taken in 1.2 million, and our hundred or so is deemed too many.

[glib]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You know how the media manipulates the people in this country when poland have already taken in 1.2 million, and our hundred or so is deemed too many.

Who said it was ‘too many’?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by glib

Who said it was ‘too many’?

When we know what we've done to help out as a country (or not), and people are making excuses and commending our little effort, it's not because they think we should be making more of an effort.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by glib

On ‘International Woman’s Day’ the government had bigger problems to sort than this

That's all issue's affecting women get ...dismissed with a pathetic shrug.

I of course appreciate the current situation facing the world, in which case you would expect things to be postponed and rescheduled for consideration. This was not the case. The war was used as an excuse to shelve a very important issue for the British workforce.

Am I surprised you dismiss this like it was something trivial because it is a female focused issue ( although it affects families not just women)? ... No.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's all issue's affecting women get ...dismissed with a pathetic shrug.

I of course appreciate the current situation facing the world, in which case you would expect things to be postponed and rescheduled for consideration. This was not the case. The war was used as an excuse to shelve a very important issue for the British workforce.

Am I surprised you dismiss this like it was something trivial because it is a female focused issue ( although it affects families not just women)? ... No.

well childcare issues also apply to dads, suppose you hadn’t considered that,, so don’t shrug this off as some sort of misogynistic act from Parliament, even with all the females, personal and professional, by Boris’ side (Carrie, Priti, , Nadine, Liz), nor suggest, unprovoked, that I’m misogynistic either. Because out of nowhere you’ve gotten personal, when this was a political discussion

Ukraine is more important right now whether you like it or not. We have female citizens, our own fighting out there, we’re trying to get them back. We have female Ukrainians trying to get in. We had Zelenskyy that very day, front page news, talking to Parliament, and to the nation itself.

It hasn’t been ‘shelved’, nor has the war been used as ‘an excuse’. If you want it debated so much, why not start a petition? I can’t believe you’re criticising the government for putting a war higher on its agenda than domestic policies that don’t affect everyone , like this war will. Put yourself in Boris’ shoes hun.

Are mums going to nuke the U.K. because on International Women’s Day Boris decided not to debate childcare issues? no.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by glib

well childcare issues also apply to dads, suppose you hadn’t considered that,, so don’t shrug this off as some sort of misogynistic act from Parliament, even with all the females, personal and professional, by Boris’ side (Carrie, Priti, , Nadine, Liz), nor suggest, unprovoked, that I’m misogynistic either. Because out of nowhere you’ve gotten personal, when this was a political discussion

Ukraine is more important right now whether you like it or not. We have female citizens, our own fighting out there, we’re trying to get them back. We have female Ukrainians trying to get in. We had Zelenskyy that very day, front page news, talking to Parliament, and to the nation itself.

It hasn’t been ‘shelved’, nor has the war been used as ‘an excuse’. If you want it debated so much, why not start a petition? I can’t believe you’re criticising the government for putting a war higher on its agenda than domestic policies that don’t affect everyone , like this war will. Put yourself in Boris’ shoes hun.

Are mums going to nuke the U.K. because on International Women’s Day Boris decided not to debate childcare issues? no.

You did see this right? .....
affects families not just women

Your comment was very dismissive..my reply reflected that. Who said the situation in Ukraine wasn't important. It was a petition... and I can criticise the government if I feel it's justified. All that was needed was a commitment to revisit this at a time when world events didn't (quite rightly) take precidence. That to me was the failure.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I heard this yesterday that at the borders where these women and children are crossing some people turning up to drive them to 'safety' are people traffickers and they authorities there have no database of who is who or where they are going.

it did occur to me as well a I have heard a few men ringing in LBC to say they had rooms they could offer and they were outraged that they couldnt just have someone come and live with them, but safeguarding has to come to play and while 99% may be genuine you will always get people who take advantage.

Utterly horrific and scary , vulnerable people being taken advantage of.

Every time i watch the coverage of the war in Ukraine, things get worse & worse. maternity hospital bombed ..... there's no words . They literally don't give a damn who or what they destroy .... callous . SO many innocent civilians having to flee their homes.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You did see this right? .....
affects families not just women

Your comment was very dismissive..my reply reflected that. Who said the situation in Ukraine wasn't important. It was a petition... and I can criticise the government if I feel it's justified. All that was needed was a commitment to revisit this at a time when world events didn't (quite rightly) take precidence. That to me was the failure.

I was replying to your claim that childcare is only a woman’s issue. Nowhere in what I replied to have you claimed it was a ‘family issue’

‘Dismissive’, yeah because, Ukraine, and Ukranian women trying to get here, are more important right now. That doesn’t mean you need to call me or Parliament misogynistic.

Has it been said anywhere ‘we won’t discuss childcare issues ever again’ …?

[user104658]

Parliament is misogynistic by default so I think it's fine to call parliament misogynistic. It's just a statement of fact.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by glib

I was replying to your claim that childcare is only a woman’s issue. Nowhere in what I replied to have you claimed it was a ‘family issue’

‘Dismissive’, yeah because, Ukraine, and Ukranian women trying to get here, are more important right now. That doesn’t mean you need to call me or Parliament misogynistic.

Has it been said anywhere ‘we won’t discuss childcare issues ever again’ …?

In the post you quoted of hers she literally said it was a family issue

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Parliament is misogynistic by default

How so?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How so?

That's a 50,000 word post right there Oliver, it would essentially be impossible to go into. All I can really say is, with enough study of sociology, politics and history it becomes impossible to ignore that the very roots of "democracy", and really all politics, stretching back until the dawn of any sort of written record keeping, is unquestionably paternalistic, misogynistic and classist (and in my opinion the class system itself, and certainly the entire system of free market capitalism, is rooted in male instinct if you follow the thread far enough).

Not to be ironically classist about it but... It's not really something that it's possible to go into without vast amounts of background reading.

Once you see it though it becomes painfully obvious.