[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just to add, Bret Weinstein was regularly pumping out anti-vax mis-information using his platform, directly leading to the direct death of at least one of his audience members, so these are the kind of people you end up being on the side of when you go down these rabbit-holes. Taking anything someone like Weinstein says, at face value, is a risk.

I'm not sure what his opinions on Vaccines have to do with what happened at Evergreen though. There's plenty of people who have opinions on vaccines that I disagree with, even people I know in real life, it doesn't make them alt right or bad people in general though, most of them really believe what they're saying and aren't trying to harm anyone

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not sure what his opinions on Vaccines have to do with what happened at Evergreen though. There's plenty of people who have opinions on vaccines that I disagree with, even people I know in real life, it doesn't make them alt right or bad people in general though, most of them really believe what they're saying and aren't trying to harm anyone

I didn't say he was alt-right I even said I don't know what his beliefs are, just that he's not what he's presenting them to be. I did say taking anything he says at face value is a risk.

It just so happened that the anti-vax nonsense was popular with his extremely right wing audience. He's an evolutionary biologist with a platform, so his anti-vax grift is not the same as any of our friends also being anti-vax.

I guess cancelling the lives of his audience is ok though, but cancelling his own job is not

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I didn't say he was alt-right I even said I don't know what his beliefs are, just that he's not what he's presenting them to be. I did say taking anything he says at face value is a risk.

It just so happened that the anti-vax nonsense was popular with his extremely right wing audience. He's an evolutionary biologist with a platform, so his anti-vax grift is not the same as any of our friends also being anti-vax.

I guess cancelling the lives of his audience is ok though, but cancelling his own job is not

[Beso]

Cancel the platforms, not the people.

[Beso]

Chalky was an act, an act where a white man did a very good impression of a black man without the need for blackface. There was nothing racist about it. There is nothing racist in a white man doing a black mans voice.

It's ridiculous.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Chalky was an act, an act where a white man did a very good impression of a black man without the need for blackface. There was nothing racist about it. There is nothing racist in a white man doing a black mans voice.

It's ridiculous.

He was a caricature of the stereotypical thick black man from times past. It wasn't just a voice.

Speers on the roof rack...

Youtube video

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He was a caricature of the stereotypical thick black man from times past. It wasn't just a voice.

Speers on the roof rack...

Youtube video

And Trigger in Only fools and horses was a caricature of a thick White man, what's your point?

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just out of curiosity, what exactly have the hard left cancelled?

You don't think the far right and it's government, with all of the power in the country have cancelled anything or is supressing speech in anyway?

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This whole cancellation bs is culture war/identity politics that doesn't actually exist.

I'm not really sure what you mean when it comes to "the most affected."

Who do you think I should be telling off and for what reason, exactly? No need to use language around the margins, just say.

The last part is pure projection. If you think I wouldn't say something because it wouldn't be popular, then that's just weird. About 95% of my opinions on here are in direct opposition to the forum orthodoxy.

I did say. The people who are armpit-deep in identity politics and hyperindividualism. This isn't some thinly veiled euphemism... Proponents of hyperindividualism are a quite clear cultural group. This is the best way I can put it. Others might call it "the woke left" - I'm actually trying to be more accurate.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

Do you have any opinions of your own to add, Jet? You do know that raab is on record as not actually supporting the human rights act at all, and doesn't even believe in economic and social rights?

We already discussed Linehan. His wife left him and he called that being cancelled. JK is a billionaire with a public and major platform. How in your opinion is that being cancelled?

[bots]

unfortunately, this tory government have a record of not being trustworthy, they may say it's for a particular reason and it's actually for some completely different agenda. Raab is among the worst of them too

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you have any opinions of your own to add, Jet? You do know that raab is on record as not actually supporting the human rights act at all, and doesn't even believe in economic and social rights?

We already discussed Linehan. His wife left him and he called that being cancelled. JK is a billionaire with a public and major platform. How in your opinion is that being cancelled?

I gave my opinion- that I hope Dominic Raabs proposal of reforming the Labours Human Rights act goes ahead.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I did say. The people who are armpit-deep in identity politics and hyperindividualism. This isn't some thinly veiled euphemism... Proponents of hyperindividualism are a quite clear cultural group. This is the best way I can put it. Others might call it "the woke left" - I'm actually trying to be more accurate.

Your initial premise isn't wholly accurate from where I see it. For starters, identity politics isn't owned or even mainly used by the "woke left."

The clearest example is that Brexit itself was fought on identity political grounds, for the hyper-individualistic benefits of the few who pushed it, so we can discuss all areas of HI or we can't, but I reject the notion that the left is HI, whereas a country full of tories isn't.

I know it's difficult because I think you're speaking about a very specific area that i just refuse to get into on the forum, because as far as I've seen nothing good ever comes from these discussions. What I will say, is that if you want to go into these areas in pm, then I'd be open to that.

[Beso]

Bloody just say what you think a woman is kiers.

[Swan]

The Simpson is now Pin Protected on SKY. The fear of offence is driving draconian like censorship right now.

South Park, which airs at 10pm on Comedy Central, a Viacom owned company, now bleeps out the word "sh!t", it never used to. Meanwhile, on MTV, just now, was Rhianna dancing in a thong.

Malcolm in the Middle is also censored when shown on 4 Music.

Weird times.

[Mystic Mock]

Controversially I feel like we're getting closer to it in entertainment than people would like to admit.

Like when I watched the 90's Blade Movie recently they were having more violent action scenes and dialogue that were less safe than say the MCU or a lot of other Movies that I've watched in recent years.

And don't even get me started on American Live Action TV on how soft that **** has become.

I don't know if we're fully in the Mary Whitehouse era yet though, as I feel like society still has people be allowed to do certain things that she would not have approved of.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just out of curiosity, what exactly have the hard left cancelled?

You don't think the far right and it's government, with all of the power in the country have cancelled anything or is supressing speech in anyway?

The far Right definitely got Holby City cancelled imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

Well because by and large we should being more progressive and open to new things, not making people's lives more limited than they were 20 years ago.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

The only thing I feel that the right need to be careful on is how far will this new law go if it gets passed through?

For example if someone said "I feel like raping someone tomorrow" because they haven't actually raped anyone, does that give that person a pass? Because I wouldn't feel comfortable with people getting away with saying stuff like that and being able to use the "free speech" card.