[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

See above Cherie - it's not "stereotyping" to point out that the people who want and are OK with this are slimy old bastards who should be on a leash at all times around women and children. It's not about "everyone".

If Darts doesn't want to be seen as a sport for letching nonces, they probably shouldn't use "young women's boobies" as an advertising boon for their seniors tournaments. JFC.

Fancying women in their twenties doesn't make these older men Nonces.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

There' nothing wrong with the dresses. There's something fundamentally wrong with needlessly exhibiting young women in a sport aimed at middle-aged men. This should not be a hard concept to grasp but I won't pretend why some people "don't get it". Too busy with their hand in their pants watching women young enough to be their daughters drag out the old Darts Farts for literally no reason whatsoever that anyone can give other than that "they're nice for men to look at".



Can we please stop pretending to not know what we're looking at here? Come on now . Don't be so f'ing silly.

That picture.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

A picture of a packed house, taken when there was no walk on girls..oh, how can we fill this full stadium even fuller...err we cant, it's full...aww, I was hoping to bring the walk on girls back to over fill the stadium..dont be silly, it's full already...with people still young and vibrant.

Bring the girls back though, they were good for advertisement..

Ok.thats what we will do then...bring them back fir the advertisement, our stadiums are full to the brim, so we do t need them for the dirty old men from the 80s to come back..

What about the ones watching on tv pulling their blinkers though...dont be silly, nobody is going to be sitting with their cocks out in front if the wife and grandkids peter.

Tbf, the girls aren't there to sponsor William Hill.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…one of the things of the article that I completely agree with is that female don’t have to ‘be objectified to be objectified…’…they’re objectified in so many different ways, as we know…does that make it right, no…but it’s still a truth, I think….we just have to look at people like Nigella Lawson preparing for her Christmas lunch and we know for many watching, it’s not about the cooking…but these walk on girls have turned it around to make an earnings they want to make and because they have the equal freedom to do so…

God some men do love to perv over Nigella Lawson.

Personally I don't see the issue with watching stuff where you find someone attractive.

Didn't Shows like Buffy and Smallville thrive off of audiences finding the Actors attractive? Depending on age groups there would be different strokes for different folks on those two Shows.

I always in particular remember Smallville loving shirtless Oliver scenes, is that objectification and regressive? Personally I just see it as good marketing from CW.

And tbh it's not a healthy society to tell people that finding anyone on TV attractive is "objectification" or these people on TV being hired for their looks is "regressive" and "sexist."

Having a basic level of people (men and women) being sexualized (whilst the person in question is consenting to it) is okay, and it is normal for people to find other people attractive or sexy, there should be no shaming on that front (as long as they're adults of course.)

And it's just a slippery slope what some people are kind of wanting to have happen in every industry, because what's next? Should women not wear dresses anymore? Should women not be allowed to wear makeup anymore? Are women not allowed to work anymore? Whatever argument that people want to make and whether you like or don't like a certain profession, if it's not hurting anyone then why should it bother anyone in a negative way?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

How does them being there benefit the sponsors?

I will agree with you on this part.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Oh yes it's definitely me protesting too much

And to answer Parmy: no, I do not find it "sexy" when girls half my age are paraded around to be gawped at by dirty old blokes who think it's "normal". Are you really struggling to get your head around that?

Adult women in their twenties have minds of their own.....Paraded around? You make them sound like helpless dumb animals in a circus.
Mother nature played a nasty trick on men, giving us cocks and those damn sex drives. And eyes.
And didn’t even have the compassion to turn us into eunuchs when we reach 45 or so…..

[jet]

I enjoyed reading your posts on this subject tonight Mock. Good stuff!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

I enjoyed reading your posts on this subject tonight Mock. Good stuff!

Thanks Jet.

It's probably not good for the Forum having myself and QB debating on polar opposite viewpoints in this situation.

We're both stubborn bastards.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Oh yes it's definitely me protesting too much

And to answer Parmy: no, I do not find it "sexy" when girls half my age are paraded around to be gawped at by dirty old blokes who think it's "normal". Are you really struggling to get your head around that?

That's not what I asked.

[Livia]

It's as ridiculous as having some twenty year old boys in Speedos walking the women dart players onto the stage. Gratuitous objectification.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's as ridiculous as having some twenty year old boys in Speedos walking the women dart players onto the stage. Gratuitous objectification.

If guys want to do that and the women's Darts were open to the idea, then why not?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If guys want to do that and the women's Darts were open to the idea, then why not?

Because it gives the mistaken impression that people who look a certain way and dress in tight, skimpy clothes can be objectified because of the way they look. I would be horrified to see my daughter when she grows up, leered at by old men with a pint in their hand. To me, it's no different to a men following a young woman down the street, commenting and wolf whistling. Women are accomplished and multi-faceted, they're not here solely for the gratification of men.

[Beso]

I remember how popular the chippendales and the dream boys used to be.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

I remember how popular the chippendales and the dream boys used to be.

I think the operative term there is "used to be".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because it gives the mistaken impression that people who look a certain way and dress in tight, skimpy clothes can be objectified because of the way they look. I would be horrified to see my daughter when she grows up, leered at by old men with a pint in their hand. To me, it's no different to a men following a young woman down the street, commenting and wolf whistling. Women are accomplished and multi-faceted, they're not here solely for the gratification of men.

Two completely different things surely walking down the street minding your own business and putting yourself in a situation where you are paid to do so? That said Darts currently have pom pom girls who dance on the stage as the players are walking on, no one pays them any attention, the audience are focussed on the Darts player they are like the warm up act at a gig, practically invisible, we really cant choose how women like to get paid because it doesnt suit us or we wouldnt want family members to do it, I think its as Parm said earlier more of a boost to the betting company who sponsor the event to give them more exposure as Darts audiences dont pay all that money to see women walking around in a dress given they could get much more free on pornhub or whatever, its the same argument as women only watch football to look at muscly men, just inane

Anyhoo I will be buying a blind fold for Mr C and will only remove it when play commences .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Two completely different things surely walking down the street minding your own business and putting yourself in a situation where you are paid to do so? That said Darts currently have pom pom girls who dance on the stage as the players are walking on, no one pays them any attention, the audience are focussed on the Darts player they are like the warm up act at a gig, practically invisible, we really cant choose how women like to get paid because it doesnt suit us or we wouldnt want family members to do it, I think its as Parm said earlier more of a boost to the betting company who sponsor the event to give them more exposure as Darts audiences dont pay all that money to see women walking around in a dress given they could get much more free on pornhub or whatever, its the same argument as women only watch football to look at muscly men, just inane

Anyhoo I will be buying a blind fold for Mr C and will only remove it when play commences .....

Men are used to oggling women, whether the woman is paid or not. It sets a norm, I think.

Just let Mr C look at one of them... Tight dress, big bobs, pumped up lips... They all look pretty much the same. And if I want muscley men I'll watch the rugby tyvm....

Nice to see you've not changed your name while I was away... I'm playing a who's who catch up!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the operative term there is "used to be".

Does Chippendales Still Exist Today? Yes, Chippendales very much still exists today. Billed as "a mantastic, sex-god, abs party that will make you lose your damn mind," the Chippendales have a residency at the Rio All-Suite Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

[Beso]

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I see both sides of the debate really. Fundamentally I think it's a pretty harmless practice and while it might be a bit sad and a bit pervy the reality is that you'll never be able to completely de-sexualise society. Saying that I don't think it's needed and it doesn't really add anything. I've almost never heard people lamenting the absence of walk on girls since they were scrapped

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

Does Chippendales Still Exist Today? Yes, Chippendales very much still exists today. Billed as "a mantastic, sex-god, abs party that will make you lose your damn mind," the Chippendales have a residency at the Rio All-Suite Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

Is a niche male dance group comparable to scantily clad women standing around at sports events? If you want to see male strippers, you can go to see male strippers. If you want to see female strippers, you can go to see female strippers. It's not comparable.

Personally I don't see anything sexy about a bunch of greased up muscle men dancing around in collar and cuffs and little else. And I guarantee they will not cause me to "lose my damn mind". I saw the Dreamboys at an airport once, wandering around in t.shirts with DREAMBOYS emblazoned on them in case anyone missed them. They looked... thick. Just my opinion of course.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

Brace yourself for an electrifying night of unadulterated pleasure and indulge in the “Dreamboys: Stripped Back” 2024 Worldwide Tour. Be part of our explosive, immersive, and seductive dance show as the Dreamboys take the stage

You look like a real fan, Parm.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No it isn't, it's an extreme version of EXACTLY the same mindset, and a normalisation of that mindset that excuses misogyny "lite". There is precisely nothing "empowering" about anyone selling this, in either form.

Comparing walk on girls at darts events, to Andrew Tate pimping out young women is bloody ridiculous. Have a word with yourself. Andrew Tate used, manipulated, promised riches, and a better life to tons of women. He went after vulnerable girls in countries where human rights are a joke, used them, and payed them next to nothing.

I don't really watch darts, but the PDC, and the bookies who sponsor it all, and Sky who air it, are massive organisations with proper safeguarding in place. They are not promised the world, or a "way out" like Tate did to all his women. They're merely offered a job. They are not asked to perform sex acts on stage are they?!!

Literally, it's completely up to the women. If they're fine with it, and don't feel objectified then who are we to judge? Also, the irony of a middle aged man telling the women they are "wrong" in this thread, and that the MAN knows better is bloody hilarious too. And sad.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is a niche male dance group comparable to scantily clad women standing around at sports events? If you want to see male strippers, you can go to see male strippers. If you want to see female strippers, you can go to see female strippers. It's not comparable.

Personally I don't see anything sexy about a bunch of greased up muscle men dancing around in collar and cuffs and little else. And I guarantee they will not cause me to "lose my damn mind". I saw the Dreamboys at an airport once, wandering around in t.shirts with DREAMBOYS emblazoned on them in case anyone missed them. They looked... thick. Just my opinion of course.

But the darts women aren't scantily clad, they have nice dresses on akin to a business meeting attire or something you would see on a saturday evening on strictly..

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

You look like a real fan, Parm.

I went once, wanted to deep fry them all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

I went once, wanted to deep fry them all.

Lol... Now that i would buy a ticket to watch.