[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

See above Cherie - it's not "stereotyping" to point out that the people who want and are OK with this are slimy old bastards who should be on a leash at all times around women and children. It's not about "everyone".

If Darts doesn't want to be seen as a sport for letching nonces, they probably shouldn't use "young women's boobies" as an advertising boon for their seniors tournaments. JFC.

If you ever watched Darts the walk on girls are dressed very modestly, if women want to do it, not sure what your issue is tbh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

@Quantum Boy

Shall we stop the glamorous assistants as well, like rachel or carol from countdown. Shall we stop the glamorous weather girls also? Cause you can class it as girls with their boobs out all you want but that's not what it is at all.. its 2 glamorous ladies, dressed in nice dresses, walking in front of the darts player to lead them onto the stage. They will have a sponsors banner draped over their shoulders. No tits on show, no twerking, and no fanny thrusts either...you shouldnt have a problem with this, you see more on the streets during pride or notting hill where all the gays and black perverts can ogle away without criticism from prudish men.

Buuuullshiiitttt

Also where on earth have you got the idea that I'm "OK with" the dicks-on-parade nonsense that's completely taken over (and ruined) Pride events?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you ever watched Darts the walk on girls are dressed very modestly, if women want to do it, not sure what your issue is tbh?

Why are they there, Cherie? What is the reason for having them there. Why are they always female. Why are they always young. What does it achieve. Who is it for. If you can answer in any way that isn't "objectification of women, for the eyes of men" I'm all ears. I've seen no reasoning for it being anything but that, and "aww it's not that bad let them do what they want they actually enjoy it and make money!" is not a reasonable substitute as a justification.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Buuuullshiiitttt



Also where on earth have you got the idea that I'm "OK with" the dicks-on-parade nonsense that's completely taken over (and ruined) Pride events?

Bet you insist your mrs wears a full burkha when she goes out, cause there is nothing wrong with this look.

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Bet you insist your mrs wears a full burkha when she goes out, cause there is nothing wrong with this look.

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There' nothing wrong with the dresses. There's something fundamentally wrong with needlessly exhibiting young women in a sport aimed at middle-aged men. This should not be a hard concept to grasp but I won't pretend why some people "don't get it". Too busy with their hand in their pants watching women young enough to be their daughters drag out the old Darts Farts for literally no reason whatsoever that anyone can give other than that "they're nice for men to look at".



Can we please stop pretending to not know what we're looking at here? Come on now . Don't be so f'ing silly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

There' nothing wrong with the dresses. There's something fundamentally wrong with needlessly exhibiting young women in a sport aimed at middle-aged men. This should not be a hard concept to grasp but I won't pretend why some people "don't get it". Too busy with their hand in their pants watching women young enough to be their daughters drag out the old Darts Farts for literally no reason whatsoever that anyone can give other than that "they're nice for men to look at".



Can we please stop pretending to not know what we're looking at here? Come on now . Don't be so f'ing silly.

My issue with it in sports in particular is women in sport are already fighting to be taken seriously in sport as it is so i think having women as decorations around the men in a sport makes it even harder for the female competitors to be taken seriously. I'm not going to stop watching the sports because of it (not talking specifically about Darts here as I rarely watch Darts but I suppose UFC/MMA ring girls comes to mind) but I don't love it.

[Beso]

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

And to describe it as a middle aged mans sport is ridiculous considering luke littler isnt even 20 yet. Infact I doubt more than 1 of the top ten is over 35.

You are talking about a sport you know sod all about, its love audience will have an average age of 25.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

And to describe it as a middle aged mans sport is ridiculous considering luke littler isnt even 20 yet. Infact I doubt more than 1 of the top ten is over 35.

You are talking about a sport you know sod all about, its love audience will have an average age of 25.

That's not true

Adult darts fans tend to be older: just 18% are aged 18-34 compared to 27% of the general sports-watching population, while 45% (vs. 40% of sports fans) are over 55

https://business.yougov.com/content/...essional-darts

[Beso]

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

How do you know that, is there some stats for that?

Also the stats I posted compared it to other sports so "having more time to watch telly" doesn't explain it away

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

Spoiler:

You can't just "say stuff" and have it magically be true Parmy. Evidence exists. We're already on the internet. It's right there, just one tab away.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not true

Adult darts fans tend to be older: just 18% are aged 18-34 compared to 27% of the general sports-watching population, while 45% (vs. 40% of sports fans) are over 55

https://business.yougov.com/content/...essional-darts

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

Actually since they were binned in 2018 the sport has been growing, so no one knows why they have suddenly decided to do this, someone somewhere thought it was a good idea 6 years later

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

I would say the majority in the pic are under 55 wouldn't you?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

They always looked mixed to me. Anecdotally, in real life the only people I know who are into watching the Darts are middle aged/older

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually since they were binned in 2018 the sport has been growing, so no one knows why they have suddenly decided to do this

We do know.

someone somewhere thought it was a good idea 6 years later

An older man with his hand down his pants.

Let's stop pretending to know why. If you're defending the sport surely "Ugh we got past this and the sport was growing in legitimacy, why have they gone back to this outdated trash" should be the focus, not "Ahh it's fine it's just a bit of casual letchery for the working man, leave them to it".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would say the majority in the pic are under 55 wouldn't you?

Parmy said under 25 Cherie and you said it's a mixed audience of "generally young men and women"!

Trying to find women of any age or a man under about 35-40 in that photo - a real photo, of a real, recent world darts championship - is like playing "Where's Wally?" . Actually quite fun.

Captioning that photo "a mixed audience of generally young men and women" would frankly be a flat out and blatant lie.

[MTVN]

There is a big and growing youth scene in darts. Most of the top pros are pretty young now. That said the fact it generally takes place in pubs at grassroots level does skew things towards an older demographic

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My issue with it in sports in particular is women in sport are already fighting to be taken seriously in sport as it is so i think having women as decorations around the men in a sport makes it even harder for the female competitors to be taken seriously. I'm not going to stop watching the sports because of it (not talking specifically about Darts here as I rarely watch Darts but I suppose UFC/MMA ring girls comes to mind) but I don't love it.

That's a fair point but ironically - given it's being made out to be a bastion of sexism - darts is one of the only sports where women have broken into the men's game plus the women's game gets a lot of exposure and coverage in its own right

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There is a big and growing youth scene in darts. Most of the top pros are pretty young now. That said the fact it generally takes place in pubs at grassroots level does skew things towards an older demographic

All the more reason to not slam it into reverse?

That's a fair point but ironically - given it's being made out to be a bastion of sexism - darts is one of the only sports where women have broken into the men's game plus the women's game gets a lot of exposure and coverage in its own right

Again this is a reason to push back against a return to the gross spectacle of "girls to look at for to soothe our eyes while the blokes walk on" rather than defending it to the hilt. It's being made out to be sexist in this example because there's a clear, current example of an official part of the sport making a conscious decision to return to a sexist practice that they'd left behind.

To be fair I initially thought it was the whole sport as that's how it was presented in the OP. It turns out to "just" be the seniors which is somehow similtaneously not quite as bad, whilst also being substantially more grim.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There is a big and growing youth scene in darts. Most of the top pros are pretty young now. That said the fact it generally takes place in pubs at grassroots level does skew things towards an older demographic



That's a fair point but ironically - given it's being made out to be a bastion of sexism - darts is one of the only sports where women have broken into the men's game plus the women's game gets a lot of exposure and coverage in its own right

Sure and tbf to the UFC they mix their cards so women and men perform on the same shows and it is one where men do seem to rate the female fighters and enjoy the fights (not all men of course, you're always going to have the ones who just don't want women doing anything but walking around in short shorts with Round 1 on a card) but I just don't like it, it's kind of jarring to have the women fighting and at the end of a round other women coming on in skimpy clothes as well so basically sending, imo two conflicting messages to the male viewers and to any women watching (especially younger women and girls)

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I think it's only you and Parmy on this forum who still think "being gay" is some sort of insult Alf. I'll reiterate as I always do; I'm not gay, I've very happily been in a long-term heterosexual relationship for decades, but I don't find "getting called gay " offensive. You're like a wee boy in shorts in the school playground 30 years ago with these insults. And apparently it's me stuck in the 80's .

Erm, you are using a lump of meat to try and insult people.


Isnt that childish? I also dont use the word gay as an insult either, so you can apologise for that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

Its pretty evident that they are there to advertise the sponsor, the william hill banner is a bit of a giveaway..


Didnt you used to keep there money safe for them?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

A picture of a packed house, taken when there was no walk on girls..oh, how can we fill this full stadium even fuller...err we cant, it's full...aww, I was hoping to bring the walk on girls back to over fill the stadium..dont be silly, it's full already...with people still young and vibrant.

Bring the girls back though, they were good for advertisement..

Ok.thats what we will do then...bring them back fir the advertisement, our stadiums are full to the brim, so we do t need them for the dirty old men from the 80s to come back..

What about the ones watching on tv pulling their blinkers though...dont be silly, nobody is going to be sitting with their cocks out in front if the wife and grandkids peter.