[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Clown world that they even had to do this

As if being a nurse isn’t difficult enough these days …


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[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You'd be surprised.

It obviously wouldn't be many, but there will be some out there I think.

That's hardly hard stats, Mock. There will be some... I think.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's hardly hard stats, Mock. There will be some... I think.

Are you seriously trying to say that there won't be some cases of Transwomen being sexually assaulted or raped?

There are cases of men (that still identify as men,) that have been victims of these crimes, do you honestly think that there won't be cases of Transwomen being victims too?

And I've already said that the stats wouldn't be very high, but that it definitely will happen.

Is there anything wrong with what I have said there?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Are you seriously trying to say that there won't be some cases of Transwomen being sexually assaulted or raped?

There are cases of men (that still identify as men,) that have been victims of these crimes, do you honestly think that there won't be cases of Transwomen being victims too?

And I've already said that the stats wouldn't be very high, but that it definitely will happen.

Is there anything wrong with what I have said there?

You've said the stats wouldn't be high, without knowing whether there are any stats at all. Heterosexual men are attracted to women, not other men. I'd be interested to know how many transwomen have been raped by straight men.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

You've said the stats wouldn't be high, without knowing whether there are any stats at all. Heterosexual men are attracted to women, not other men. I'd be interested to know how many transwomen have been raped by straight men.

Well because technically even one case of it happening is still a stat.

Obviously the number won't be that high because like you've said yourself, straight men will in general want to go with women, consensual or not if he is an evil individual.

But my point to Zizu was that Transwomen being raped by men has probably happened.

After all if some men molest kids, why would there not be at the very least one case of a Transwoman being a victim of a sex crime?

I'm not saying it's an epidemic, just that it will happen sometimes.

[Vicky.]

Rape isn't always about attraction its about power. I have no doubt some transwomen will be assaulted in male spaces but that's still not a reason to make female spaces a free for all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well because technically even one case of it happening is still a stat.

Obviously the number won't be that high because like you've said yourself, straight men will in general want to go with women, consensual or not if he is an evil individual.

But my point to Zizu was that Transwomen being raped by men has probably happened.

After all if some men molest kids, why would there not be at the very least one case of a Transwoman being a victim of a sex crime?

I'm not saying it's an epidemic, just that it will happen sometimes.

Yes, one occurrence of a heterosexual make raping a trans woman would be a stat. But you can't provide one. So is it not a stat.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You've said the stats wouldn't be high, without knowing whether there are any stats at all. Heterosexual men are attracted to women, not other men. I'd be interested to know how many transwomen have been raped by straight men.

Bit optimistic about what men will or won't do there I'm afraid, there are chaps out there who -- to be entirely and completely blunt and save time -- will rape anything they can put their penis in. Women, men, transpeople, kids, dogs...

Some human beings are simply unfathomable creatures and it is unfortunately mostly the male ones.

(This is of course why access to women's spaces MUST not be made easier in any way for biological males; the idea that people won't exploit any loophole is simply wrong, they definitely will and do).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Bit optimistic about what men will or won't do there I'm afraid, there are chaps out there who -- to be entirely and completely blunt and save time -- will rape anything they can put their penis in. Women, men, transpeople, kids, dogs...

Some human beings are simply unfathomable creatures and it is unfortunately mostly the male ones.

(This is of course why access to women's spaces MUST not be made easier in any way for biological males; the idea that people won't exploit any loophole is simply wrong, they definitely will and do).

They might, they could, they would..... but still no stats.

There are stats of female prisoners being raped in prison by transwomen... they are concrete. Where are the stats for transwomen being raped by heterosexuals? That's what we're discussing. I'm not saying there are no stats, I'm saying, where are they?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

They might, they could, they would..... but still no stats.

There are stats of female prisoners being raped in prison by transwomen... they are concrete. Where are the stats for transwomen being raped by heterosexuals? That's what we're discussing. I'm not saying there are no stats, I'm saying, where are they?

Ironically, the trans-activist insistence on not differentiating will be part of what makes the stats difficult to get. A lot of trans-activists would PREFER that these crimes are recorded as male-on-female, rather than male-on-trans.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Ironically, the trans-activist insistence on not differentiating will be part of what makes the stats difficult to get. A lot of trans-activists would PREFER that these crimes are recorded as male-on-female, rather than male-on-trans.

We were told we were being stupid, imagining trans women would attack women. We were told we were hysterical and that it would never happen. But it did happen. And there are stats.

Now we have to accept that there will be transwomen raped by heterosexuals without one iota of proof. So excuse me if I demand to see the workings of these claims.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

We were told we were being stupid, imagining trans women would attack women. We were told we were hysterical and that it would never happen. But it did happen. And there are stats.

Now we have to accept that there will be transwomen raped by heterosexuals without one iota of proof. So excuse me if I demand to see the workings of these claims.

I understand and it's fair enough, my opinion of what some men will do is just sadly so low that you can ask the question "will [insert literally anything here] be raped by men?" and my answer would be "Yeah, almost certainly."

(Again I agree this is why it's unsafe to let male-bodied individuals into women's spaces, for any reason, including allowing them to claim another gender identity).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I understand and it's fair enough, my opinion of what some men will do is just sadly so low that you can ask the question "will [insert literally anything here] be raped by men?" and my answer would be "Yeah, almost certainly."

(Again I agree this is why it's unsafe to let male-bodied individuals into women's spaces, for any reason, including allowing them to claim another gender identity).

Yeah, it was @Mystic Mock who stated it as a fact. I'm going to drag him out to the car park later and give him a good shoeing.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I man got off with any prison time this week for raping a Shetland Pony

true

Lucky he never posted about it on Facebook

phew!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I man got off with any prison time this week for raping a Shetland Pony

true

Lucky he never posted about it on Facebook

phew!

You forgot to change the "I" to an "A" when you retyped that LT!

[bots]

Sorry, i think i'm missing something here. Many of the people will still have their junk attached that go into the mens loos, so i think the chances of them being raped must approximate to zero

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

Sorry, I think I'm missing something here. Many of the people will still have their junk attached that go into the mens loos, so i think the chances of them being raped must approximate to zero

Well. No. There are other forms of rape.

But non-penetrative sexual assault in these sorts of "opportunistic" circumstances (against both women and men) is far more common than rape.

However the biggest risk is other assault - either sexually motivated or otherwise.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Women are in more danger from cis men than they are the transgender community. I can say with almost 100% certainty the women on this forum have felt threatened by a male than they have any transgender person.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Women are in more danger from cis men than they are the transgender community.

Trans women have the same rate of sex crimes as cis men.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Women are in more danger from cis men than they are the transgender community. I can say with almost 100% certainty the women on this forum have felt threatened by a male than they have any transgender person.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Trans women have the same rate of sex crimes as cis men.

Yep both correct, cis men are a bigger risk but ONLY because of numbers (there are a lot more cis men out there than trans women). Proportionately, risk remains the same across both groups. You can argue that trans women are not men... but you can't argue that they aren't predisposed to violence at the same rate as men. Statistically, they 100% are.

[Livia]

Women and transwomen managed to co-exist for years with minimum problems, if any. The real problem came with self identification and with transwomen being told they are women and are entitled in our spaces. I think loud and violent trans-activists have done real transwomen a great disservice by acting like entitled men.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Rape isn't always about attraction its about power. I have no doubt some transwomen will be assaulted in male spaces but that's still not a reason to make female spaces a free for all.

I agree with you, especially when it comes to Sports.

And I agree that not every rapist rapes based on sexual attraction but instead they want to have control over the victim.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Ironically, the trans-activist insistence on not differentiating will be part of what makes the stats difficult to get. A lot of trans-activists would PREFER that these crimes are recorded as male-on-female, rather than male-on-trans.

That would explain why the stat that I was trying to look for was so distorted this morning.

Because I honestly was looking for stats for male on Trans sex crimes, but things like male on female would show up instead.

Probably because that type of crime is far more common tbf, but it wasn't what I was looking for.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, it was @Mystic Mock who stated it as a fact. I'm going to drag him out to the car park later and give him a good shoeing.

Pulp Fiction... Remove the fiction.

I hope that you're doing well today Livia.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Pulp Fiction... Remove the fiction.

I hope that you're doing well today Livia.

I'm good thanks Mock. Hope you are. Just going to have a go at Katie's game now you've shamed me LOL....