[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I hope the changes will include banning non-stun slaughter. No-one can reasonably pretend to support animal welfare, without wanting that banned too.

About 90% of all Halal and meat is stunned so banning it would probably be more straightforward from that perspective. It's Kosher meat that is non-stunned and I just don't think it would be possible to ban it due to potential religious discrimination.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There is the religious aspect to it though.

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by arista

Get paid for what?


Many Local Farms
many local land owners
and many local working craftsman.

All helping this Tradition in our Great Britain

Spot on, this government just don't care for our rural communities

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

I don't disagree with you at all on that.
There would be an almighty uproar no doubt but I'd certainly support the move.
It's a very fair point you've raised.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

I agree. I don't eat kosher meat because I am an animal lover. I eat ethically reared, humanely slaughtered meat. I follow kosher rules other than that... In my mind, kosher and halal killing is archaic. But I think people would be shocked and appalled if they knew how much of the meat they eat in the UK is halal.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good that they are looking at the despicable practices in farming too.
I wasn't expecting that so welcome it 100%

This is a really good step forward IF it's put in place and SECURED too.

The people of the Country who couldn't give a damn about animal welfare won't agree but that says everything about them really.

I am happy to see that you and I still share some common ground. Happy Christmas to you and yours, Joey.

[arista]

Originally Posted by In the Drunk Tank

Spot on, this government just don't care for our rural communities

Sadly True

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree. I don't eat kosher meat because I am an animal lover. I eat ethically reared, humanely slaughtered meat. I follow kosher rules other than that... In my mind, kosher and halal killing is archaic. But I think people would be shocked and appalled if they knew how much of the meat they eat in the UK is halal.

A lot of imported meat is halal too which is an added complication if you want to ban it. Lots of non-Muslim countries produce a lot of halal meat because the export markets are lucrative and help meat processors make a profit (vast majority of New Zealand lamb and beef is halal for example). That's especially true given that we don't consume all cuts of the animal in this country so often it's only Islamic countries and communities where there is demand for some parts of the animal

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Number of animals killed by non-stun slaughter last year—- 30,100,000

Number of reports of illegal fox hunting —- 397