[arista]

The two young men were homeless
But the Manager refused their Paid Rooms
and stopped them from entering.


Clip was on Ch5 News 5PM show

[Two homeless men were refused entry to a
Manchester Holiday Inn Express despite
a paid £200 booking as
temperatures plummeted to -6C, with staff
citing company policy against accepting rough sleepers]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-away-33179421

[Livia]

They are not illegals, obviously.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

They are not illegals, obviously.

No British Homeless lads

[joeysteele]

In my opinion despicable.

[Parmy]

Snobbery.

[Cherie]

That is just despicable

[Cherie]

Boycott Holiday Inn Express, its not like they dont accommodate illegals

[arista]

Good on Sky News

Interviewed one of the young homeless men

Callum Donaghey (in his 20's)

The Reporter Molly said Callum went to another
Hotel.



The report will be on Sky News all day

[Kate!]

Agree that it's despicable.

[arista]

On Sky News every hour today

[BBXX]

Humans can be despicable.

[Livia]

What I don't get is how one group of people, illegal migrants, are fed, housed, cared for, defended have their legal teams funded by us... and another group, our own homeless, are left to fend for themselves on the streets, supported only by those of us who donate to homeless charities? The government has already told us that the rights of illegals are greater than ours. Where on that scale do the rights of homeless people lay? Pretty low down, I'm guessing. And in this current financial crisis a HUGE number of people are one pay day or less away from living on the street.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

What I don't get is how one group of people, illegal migrants, are fed, housed, cared for, defended have their legal teams funded by us... and another group, our own homeless, are left to fend for themselves on the streets, supported only by those of us who donate to homeless charities? The government has already told us that the rights of illegals are greater than ours. Where on that scale do the rights of homeless people lay? Pretty low down, I'm guessing. And in this current financial crisis a HUGE number of people are one pay day or less away from living on the street.

This is not about migrants.
And it is not about government policy.

A hotel took payment.
Then refused entry based on appearance.

That is discrimination. I’m glad they could stay somewhere else.

[rusticgal]

The sad thing with many homeless people is that they will have been given an opportunity and housing via their local council. Councils have an obligation. Sadly some of these homeless people are suffering with alcohol and drug addiction. The council pay these people rent money via UC leaving the individual to pay the landlord. Anyone with a drink or drug problem will spend this money on their addiction and consequently will be thrown out and find themselves homeless. Many abuse the system and the consequence is homelessness.
What these people need is support for their addiction...much of it is self help which many struggle with. The other alternative is putting themselves into a rehabilitation clinic but it costs a fortune so its not really an alternative.
These people need better support and help...and this country does not offer that kind of support sadly...they are left to get on with it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The sad thing with many homeless people is that they will have been given an opportunity and housing via their local council. Councils have an obligation. Sadly some of these homeless people are suffering with alcohol and drug addiction. The council pay these people rent money via UC leaving the individual to pay the landlord. Anyone with a drink or drug problem will spend this money on their addiction and consequently will be thrown out and find themselves homeless. Many abuse the system and the consequence is homelessness.
What these people need is support for their addiction...much of it is self help which many struggle with. The other alternative is putting themselves into a rehabilitation clinic but it costs a fortune so its not really an alternative.
These people need better support and help...and this country does not offer that kind of support sadly...they are left to get on with it.

Last time I was in Peterborough, have you ever been? It's like a foreign country, I was speaking to a homeless man, young, about 25 I guess, eloquent, likeable, not an alcoholic or a junkie... The council had told him they wouldn't help him because he has "no ties to the area". He was born in Peterborough and lived most of his life there. He tried his MP, he wouldn't help him either because he didn't live (which means, didn't have a residence) or work in the area. Peterborough has applied to become one of the areas of the country that will build new council houses just for illegals and for which the locals will not be eligible to apply.

When I walk through the centre of Chelmsford when I visit my niece, I find it hard to see all the young girls who are living on the street, it's hard to tell I know but they don't all look like junkies, they look like vulnerable young women who need help.

When marriages break up and men must leave the marital home, some slip into homelessness because they now have to provide toward two homes, it's gets harder, they slip into debt, they lose their home and consequently their job. So many people are a few pounds away from losing everything. I do understand that alcoholism and drug dependence is a factor in the number of homeless but it's not the whole story and those who aren't dependent on drugs or drink are always lumped in with those who are. Similarly the myth that being homeless is a "life choice".

[Glenn.]

Every time homelessness is talked about, someone has to drag migrants into it. It’s irrelevant and it completely sidetracks the issue.

Homelessness happens for loads of reasons. Councils failing people. Relationships breaking down. Debt. Losing a job. People just slipping through the gaps.

That is bad enough on its own. It doesn’t need to be compared to anything else to matter.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Livia

Last time I was in Peterborough, have you ever been? It's like a foreign country, I was speaking to a homeless man, young, about 25 I guess, eloquent, likeable, not an alcoholic or a junkie... The council had told him they wouldn't help him because he has "no ties to the area". He was born in Peterborough and lived most of his life there. He tried his MP, he wouldn't help him either because he didn't live (which means, didn't have a residence) or work in the area. Peterborough has applied to become one of the areas of the country that will build new council houses just for illegals and for which the locals will not be eligible to apply.

When I walk through the centre of Chelmsford when I visit my niece, I find it hard to see all the young girls who are living on the street, it's hard to tell I know but they don't all look like junkies, they look like vulnerable young women who need help.

When marriages break up and men must leave the marital home, some slip into homelessness because they now have to provide toward two homes, it's gets harder, they slip into debt, they lose their home and consequently their job. So many people are a few pounds away from losing everything. I do understand that alcoholism and drug dependence is a factor in the number of homeless but it's not the whole story and those who aren't dependent on drugs or drink are always lumped in with those who are. Similarly the myth that being homeless is a "life choice".

Fair enough...its just something I have unfortunately been witness to over the last year and that's what I have seen.

Its appalling that the Councils allow someone to sleep on the streets 'because they are not linked to the area'.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Every time homelessness is talked about, someone has to drag migrants into it. It’s irrelevant and it completely sidetracks the issue.

Homelessness happens for loads of reasons. Councils failing people. Relationships breaking down. Debt. Losing a job. People just slipping through the gaps.

That is bad enough on its own. It doesn’t need to be compared to anything else to matter.

If we can house people who illegally turn up on our shores then we should be able to do the same for our own NO MATTER what the reasons are for them finding themselves homeless.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

If we can house people who illegally turn up on our shores then we should be able to do the same for our own NO MATTER what the reasons are for them finding themselves homeless.

I don’t see this as a competition over who deserves help more, and I don’t think dragging migrants into it helps at all.

This is much simpler. Two people paid for a room and were turned away because of how they looked. That’s wrong.

Once you start comparing groups, the actual issue gets lost. Basic dignity shouldn’t be up for debate.

[joeysteele]

I don't like to think of any human being homeless or hungry on the streets, particularly when the weather is extremely cold etc; too.
There's organisations who do help and try to help who I've been involved with too when I can be.

Some businesses are a disgrace and hindrance to that, even if it's sometimes just trying to organise a hot drinks or a meal in some so called business establishments

There shouldn't be any human beings left homeless or freezing on the streets.
It's really bad there is.
I really hope some government will develop more heart and reach out and end it.

I'll not join the migrants bashing brigade, human beings are human beings, no matter where they're from, we all share this planet together.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I don’t see this as a competition over who deserves help more, and I don’t think dragging migrants into it helps at all.

This is much simpler. Two people paid for a room and were turned away because of how they looked. That’s wrong.

Once you start comparing groups, the actual issue gets lost. Basic dignity shouldn’t be up for debate.

No one is stating its a 'competition' if we can show compassion for illegal immigrants then we should do the same for our own nationals...its that simple.

[Glenn.]

Compassion for immigrants
Is that a joke?

You can’t complain about the government showing compassion to other human beings while a very loud section of people shows none at all. Compassion doesn’t really count if it only applies to people you approve of.

But none of that even matters, because this story has nothing to do with immigrants. Yet the same people have completely ignored what actually happened and gone straight to “illegals this” and “illegals that”. It’s like muscle memory.

The facts are very simple.
They paid for a room.
The hotel took the money.
They were refused because they looked homeless.

That’s the story.

[Vicky.]

Absolutely ridiculous. Also whenever I hear stuff like this it reminds me of how we seemingly eradicated rough sleeping during COVID, but as soon as the threat was over people were turfed back onto the street..

[rusticgal]

Usual twisting of a story...off you trot Glen

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Usual twisting of a story...off you trot Glen

Nothing twisted.
You just don’t like the story when it stays on point.

They paid for a room.
They were turned away because of how they looked.

That’s it.

Literally the story. Unless I missed something. By all means share with the group.