[Clockers]

Born again people are preachy and force their new beliefs than people who have followed there faith from childhood. For the latter it a way of life whilst "born again" feel they need everyone to follow what they discovered later on in their life.

Stephen Baldwin is a fascinating housemate.

[Patrick]

Was Stephen Reincarnated?

[King Gizzard]

No because reincarnation is in hinduism!

[letmein]

George Bush was a born again Christian. That should tell you something.

[Sticks]

The term "Born Again Christian" is a tautological error as according to John 3:5 everyone who is a Christian is by definition born again.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The term "Born Again Christian" is a tautological error as according to John 3:5 everyone who is a Christian is by definition born again.

Thanks for pointing to that error and yes that has annoyed me for years and years.
It's almost as if they decided to 'trademark' that name for their own usage heh.

More in the USA and more in the 80s/90s it has come to mean a sort of Evangelical Charismatic/kinda sorta usedtabe 'fundamentalistish' side of the spectrum,
and,
really to where it might have been spelled 'Bornagin' as if to make the distinction hehe.

Yeah, I do see what the OP is saying.
What annoys me to no end is meeting and having a discussion with so many of them that goes like this:
- Are you a Christian?
- Yes.
- That doesn't mean anything though.. the question is.. are you born again??
- Right.
- So thats how you get saved.
- Ok thanks.

For some reason they seem to thrive on doing this to us Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbys.
Not RCs. They assume they are not saved.

Anyways, its annoying,
but,
as a general rule almost all of them intend to mean well and are generally sincere.

Baldwin... he is a bit of something different from what we more used to know as the 'Bornagin' type.
He is more a sort of 'emerging church' (i hate some of these titles) 'Rick Warren/Saddleback' and 'California/West Coast Evangelical' type.

I'm sure that is meaningless to most here and even having traveled in those circles and knowing that sub-culture a bit... meh... its hard to pin them all down.
But he isn't a classic 80s era sort of 'Bornagin' type but sorta kinda from that 'world' yeah.

I don't mind him though. At first I assumed I'd dislike him and then tried to be annoyed by him.
Then I saw he was refreshingly realistic and a fairly 'down-to-earth' type of person.
So now he has mostly won me over.

[yousoboo!]

Steven is just passionate about what he believes. If people can't handle it then that's due to their own insecurities.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

Steven is just passionate about what he believes. If people can't handle it then that's due to their own insecurities.

Uh, no. It's due to them being offended by his bigotry, and stupidity. Next.

[Niamh.]

I haven't heard him preach to anyone yet and I didn't hear him preaching to anyone on IAC either

[yousoboo!]

Originally Posted by letmein

Uh, no. It's due to them being offended by his bigotry, and stupidity. Next.

then they are wimps. think about what goes on in the world these days. in the big scheme of things this really is weak minded.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

then they are wimps. think about what goes on in the world these days. in the big scheme of things this really is weak minded.

People get annoyed when they see grown adults sprout such clear nonsense on the television. It has nothing to do with being a 'wimp' or being 'insecure'.

How odd.

[yousoboo!]

you get offended very easily.

[Stu]

Who said I was getting offended at this in particular? Relgion as a whole offends me and thus constantly will, but on a baffling level, not a level that makes me want to write to national newspapers.

Your not very good at trying to get this one up on people just because they don't like his religion. First insecure, now whimsical, now easily offended. No, kid. Just don't particularly have a hard on for religion. That's. It.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

People get annoyed when they see grown adults sprout such clear nonsense on the television. It has nothing to do with being a 'wimp' or being 'insecure'.

How odd.

Being annoyed is hardly a problem. I get annoyed watching Richard Dawkins 'spout' clear nonsense on the television,
but,
Not nearly as annoyed as I get at Cartoon dogs selling me insurance, gay guys redecorating homes or a bunch of 'white liberal guilt' presenters trying to 'out tsk' each other over BNP stories,
but,
so being annoyed is part of the experience.
Don't cry over it.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Being annoyed is hardly a problem. I get annoyed watching Richard Dawkins 'spout' clear nonsense on the television,
but,
Not nearly as annoyed as I get at Cartoon dogs selling me insurance, gay guys redecorating homes or a bunch of 'white liberal guilt' presenters trying to 'out tsk' each other over BNP stories,
but,
so being annoyed is part of the experience.
Don't cry over it.

Err ... who said this was a 'problem'? I'm pretty chilled out. I just believe everything he believes in to be a joke.

Get over it.

[yousoboo!]

What are you watching? He hasn't preached anything yet. You've just taken a dislike to him based on preconceptions.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Err ... who said this was a 'problem'? I'm pretty chilled out. I just believe everything he believes in to be a joke.

Get over it.

Well I'm sure he feels the same way about you. So you guys are 'even' now.
Enjoy.

[Niamh.]

While I don't believe what he believes and do think it's a load of rubbish, I do like him and I haven't heard him preaching or trying to force his beliefs on people so I don't see why people are giving out about him. At the end of the day if that's what makes him happy, so what, live and let live!!!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by yousoboo!

What are you watching? He hasn't preached anything yet. You've just taken a dislike to him based on preconceptions.

He has but that's beside the point. All I'm saying is that I think his beliefs are riddiculous. It's called an opinion. You seem to think I am four inches from the TV screen waiting for him to mention the word 'god' so I can start a national outrage. I really, really don't see your point.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Well I'm sure he feels the same way about you. So you guys are 'even' now.
Enjoy.

Doubt it, considering he dosn't know who I am, but it was a nice attempt.

He came across as a tosser on the Celeb Apprentice, harping on and on about Christian values then cheating in a horribly sneaky way. I think he then owned up to the cheating and screwed his team, because of the Jesus-guilt. I totally expect BB to engineer a situation where he's forced to choose between doing something unChristian in a task to win the shopping budget or refusing to do it and facing the wrath of his housemates.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

He has but that's beside the point. All I'm saying is that I think his beliefs are riddiculous. It's called an opinion. You seem to think I am four inches from the TV screen waiting for him to mention the word 'god' so I can start a national outrage. I really, really don't see your point.


Doubt it, considering he dosn't know who I am, but it was a nice attempt.

He came across as a tosser on the Celeb Apprentice, harping on and on about Christian values then cheating in a horribly sneaky way. I think he then owned up to the cheating and screwed his team, because of the Jesus-guilt. I totally expect BB to engineer a situation where he's forced to choose between doing something unChristian in a task to win the shopping budget or refusing to do it and facing the wrath of his housemates.

I didn't see Celeb Apprentice but he didn't do any preaching on IAC Usa

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

I totally expect BB to engineer a situation where he's forced to choose between doing something unChristian in a task to win the shopping budget or refusing to do it and facing the wrath of his housemates.

Of course they will. They will do it for their own agenda and spite,
and,
to give people like you that..mmmmm... so good feeling of self-righteous indignation. mm.. so good isn't it?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Of course they will. They will do it for their own agenda and spite

Baldwin presumably knew this which is why he signed up for the show. Nothing at all to do with selling yourself on TV for cash.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

and,
to give people like you that..mmmmm... so good feeling of self-righteous indignation. mm.. so good isn't it?

Personally I think attributing your life being saved to being handpicked for sobreity by a cosmic Jewish zombie is righteous self indignaiton but hey, difference of opinion and all that.

[RCW1945]

"Love thy neighbour": isn't that Christian rule number one?
Only one hour into the show someone mentions Barack Obama, SB leaps in with savage attack on same. The word could be hypocrite.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RCW1945

"Love thy neighbour": isn't that Christian rule number one?
Only one hour into the show someone mentions Barack Obama, SB leaps in with savage attack on same. The word could be hypocrite.

It was hardly a "savage attack" lol

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Stu

Personally I think attributing your life being saved to being handpicked for sobreity by a cosmic Jewish zombie is righteous self indignaiton but hey, difference of opinion and all that.

That doesn't really make sense but I have no doubt you said it so you could momentarily feel... right.
aka 'righteous'.
Relatively 'right' compared to some others you deem 'wrong'.
Self-righteousness.
Do you see how this works now?

But hey.. you keep on feeling unique and superior believing 'something comes from nothing' and that 'something' was rock sludge mating with a lightning bolt and turning into bats, fish, kangaroos, T-rex, grass and hawks... by happenstance!